https://millionwordman.blogspot.com/2019/06/on-inappropriate-content-in-games-and.html?spref=fb&m=1

Finally found the link I had misplaced. From the organizer.

Quote from: Myrdin Potter;1092058https://millionwordman.blogspot.com/2019/06/on-inappropriate-content-in-games-and.html?spref=fb&m=1

Finally found the link I had misplaced. From the organizer.

I found these bits interesting-

QuoteWhat we don't need is people spreading wild rumour and supposition, consider that I've had more than twenty people contact me, both at the show and afterwards, saying that they'd splashed the name of the GM out there, so as to make sure that they could never do it again…

Twelve of those people had the wrong name…

The first victim of the mob mentality is the innocent.

QuoteThe reason it took Expo as long as it did to make a resolution on the situation was because the problem was reported over social media and not to Expo directly.  Nothing was reported to the Expo front desk, the Hilton Manager, or any of the roving staff.  There was an email sent to me directly, but that was sent more than half an hour after I'd been made aware of the situation and by then, I was already investigating.

IMO one of the first rules about con incidents like these should probably be something like "Don't use social media to report con issues." People are going to use social media, but it is a pointless and self-defeating way to "raise awareness" of anything.

And for jhkim, it looks like this GM had a spotless record, and was trusted with being a "Room Captain" (Whatever that means)

Quote from: Myrdin Potter;1092058https://millionwordman.blogspot.com/2019/06/on-inappropriate-content-in-games-and.html?spref=fb&m=1

Finally found the link I had misplaced. From the organizer.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1092060IMO one of the first rules about con incidents like these should probably be something like "Don't use social media to report con issues." People are going to use social media, but it is a pointless and self-defeating way to "raise awareness" of anything.

And for jhkim, it looks like this GM had a spotless record, and was trusted with being a "Room Captain" (Whatever that means)

Thanks. The con organizer post seems very reasonable to me. And I agree that using social media to report issues sucks. Realistically, there's going to be a gossip mill because that's how gossip works - but people can at least try to call for some stand against gossip-mongering when they hear it.

The GM apparently had no prior complaints. On the other hand, the organizers did check with all but one of the players - and apparently they all felt that the scenario went off the rails by that incident - i.e. it wasn't just those two players being extra-sensitive. If the GM has no complaints, it's a higher bar to ban them -- but then I don't know exactly what the other players said. I'd say the decision to ban him is within the bounds of reasonable doubt for me. I'm not endorsing it, but I'm not against it.

Wider rumor-mongering is definitely a problem, and I am against that.

It's also worth noting that the game had been going on for 2.5 hours before it went off track for the last 30 minutes. This might explain some of why the people didn't just get up and walk away.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1092060And for jhkim, it looks like this GM had a spotless record, and was trusted with being a "Room Captain" (Whatever that means)

Room captain was likely something along the lines of a staffer but possibly without any official status? Though at some cons seen the equivalent was effectively room security. You'd need someone who knows the con and how they are using the term to to parse out what his function was. But odds are it was some sort of organizer+low level security/complaints role.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1092077It's also worth noting that the game had been going on for 2.5 hours before it went off track for the last 30 minutes. This might explain some of why the people didn't just get up and walk away.

Didn't it start with the sore butt scenario?

Quote from: Trond;1092106Didn't it start with the sore butt scenario?

   No; everything I've heard is that the kidnapping ended 'Act II' and the waking up started 'Act III.'

QuoteAnd I agree that using social media to report issues sucks. Realistically, there's going to be a gossip mill because that's how gossip works - but people can at least try to call for some stand against gossip-mongering when they hear it.

This is one of the problems with dealing with the SJW hive mind. The first response to any perceived 'issue' is to reach for twitter and instagram first, rather than working out how to report things in the right way. Hitting twitter creates an immediate support community that will take the victim's side. They'll also jump to conclusions, whip themselves into a righteous frenzy, and dole out the pitchforks with abandon. They'll cry 'why oh why is no one taking action?' And the reason is usually that the ones who need to take action haven't been informed because the victims though it more important to get their support community arranged before actually telling the people who can do something about this shit. Same happened with SJG over the FFG incident. Fucking Helton and crew whipped up a nice little victim storm on social media, but no one thought to discreetly talk with SJG first.

SJWs and the Perpetually Offended need to have a social media support mechanism in place before anything else. Once rational, measured action begins, it erodes the credibility of the original outrage thus causing a collapse: witness what happened with SJG & FGG. Once FGG's joint statement with the victim of that Paizocon thing was released, it more or less killed the soc-med community, including the odious threads on Big Purple.

So while I think the GM at UKGE was a fucking tool, and the offended players had a genuine grievance, they went about things in the wrong way by hitting twitter first. I didn't help the investigation one bit. Had they sat back and thought things through, it would have been much different. It isn't hard to find a con representative to ask who you should speak to. Most cons have some form of front desk operation where concerns can be raised. Its up to the complainant to work out how to raise the complaint effectively. But instead, SJWs automatically assume that everyone is on fucking twitter. Shit don't work like that. Complain by all means but complain effectively. Find the right channel. Don't assume that con organizers or anyone else are fucking psychic or umbilically linked to twitter, snapchat, instagram or whatever the fuck else is hip and fucking trendy right now. And get your priorities straight. If someone's crossed the line, don't focus on mobilizing your Danger Hair Army first: they ain't really your friends; they're just gonna use you to fuel their Cause. Soon as their cred is shot to shit, they'll forget you ever fucking existed.

Go Raptors.

Quote from: BrokenCounsel;1092242This is one of the problems with dealing with the SJW hive mind. The first response to any perceived 'issue' is to reach for twitter and instagram first, rather than working out how to report things in the right way. Hitting twitter creates an immediate support community that will take the victim's side. They'll also jump to conclusions, whip themselves into a righteous frenzy, and dole out the pitchforks with abandon. They'll cry 'why oh why is no one taking action?' And the reason is usually that the ones who need to take action haven't been informed because the victims though it more important to get their support community arranged before actually telling the people who can do something about this shit. Same happened with SJG over the FFG incident. Fucking Helton and crew whipped up a nice little victim storm on social media, but no one thought to discreetly talk with SJG first.

SJWs and the Perpetually Offended need to have a social media support mechanism in place before anything else. Once rational, measured action begins, it erodes the credibility of the original outrage thus causing a collapse: witness what happened with SJG & FGG. Once FGG's joint statement with the victim of that Paizocon thing was released, it more or less killed the soc-med community, including the odious threads on Big Purple.

So while I think the GM at UKGE was a fucking tool, and the offended players had a genuine grievance, they went about things in the wrong way by hitting twitter first. I didn't help the investigation one bit. Had they sat back and thought things through, it would have been much different. It isn't hard to find a con representative to ask who you should speak to. Most cons have some form of front desk operation where concerns can be raised. Its up to the complainant to work out how to raise the complaint effectively. But instead, SJWs automatically assume that everyone is on fucking twitter. Shit don't work like that. Complain by all means but complain effectively. Find the right channel. Don't assume that con organizers or anyone else are fucking psychic or umbilically linked to twitter, snapchat, instagram or whatever the fuck else is hip and fucking trendy right now. And get your priorities straight. If someone's crossed the line, don't focus on mobilizing your Danger Hair Army first: they ain't really your friends; they're just gonna use you to fuel their Cause. Soon as their cred is shot to shit, they'll forget you ever fucking existed.

Go Raptors.

Stupid Raptors will be messing up downtown when I go to a meeting tomorrow.

And one of the players went to twitter to comment on the bad experience she had because that is what social media is used for, to make comments. Instead of blaming her, maybe consider that it is not transparent to everyone, especially newer con attendees, of what exactly the complaint process is and why they should use it.

The link I provided shows why I think the "oh, the poor GM" narrative in this thread is ridiculous. The only ones spouting off his name are sourcing it from the YouTube video. The con banned him from GMing, but not from attending from what I have seen. That is not ruining anyone's life. That is a consequence to being dumb.

Quote from: Myrdin Potter;1092250Instead of blaming her, maybe consider that it is not transparent to everyone, especially newer con attendees, of what exactly the complaint process is and why they should use it.

No.  Stop defending Twatter outrage idiocy.  Full stop.  There is absolutely no way possible that this dipshit so-called "victim" believed that Twatter was the official complaint outlet, and not someone organized with the convention, such as, perhaps, the outlet he/she/it bought their convention tickets at.

Quote from: kythri;1092254No.  Stop defending Twatter outrage idiocy.  Full stop.  There is absolutely no way possible that this dipshit so-called "victim" believed that Twatter was the official complaint outlet, and not someone organized with the convention, such as, perhaps, the outlet he/she/it bought their convention tickets at.

Agreed 1000%

Quote from: kythri;1092254No.  Stop defending Twatter outrage idiocy.  Full stop.  There is absolutely no way possible that this dipshit so-called "victim" believed that Twatter was the official complaint outlet, and not someone organized with the convention, such as, perhaps, the outlet he/she/it bought their convention tickets at.

Nope, saying how great or terrible something was on your social media is pretty much normal behavior. There is no requirement that anyone has to report anything to the Con. Just like if I want to bitch about how bumpy my flight is now, I can make a Facebook post on it, I am not required to call United.

Focusing on this is just victim blaming. They did not drop a rape scenario like a giant turd on the table, the GM did.

Quote from: Myrdin Potter;1092269Nope, saying how great or terrible something was on your social media is pretty much normal behavior. There is no requirement that anyone has to report anything to the Con. Just like if I want to bitch about how bumpy my flight is now, I can make a Facebook post on it, I am not required to call United.

Focusing on this is just victim blaming. They did not drop a rape scenario like a giant turd on the table, the GM did.

"victim blaming"
"victim"

Yeah, the "victim" of a fictitious rape against a fictitious character that was not even described but just inferred by the player.

I have grown to hate the term "victim".

Quote from: Myrdin Potter;1092269Nope, saying how great or terrible something was on your social media is pretty much normal behavior. There is no requirement that anyone has to report anything to the Con. Just like if I want to bitch about how bumpy my flight is now, I can make a Facebook post on it, I am not required to call United.

Sure, and their twatbook posts should be treated as less than nothing when determining or enforcing con policy.

QuoteFocusing on this is just victim blaming. They did not drop a rape scenario like a giant turd on the table, the GM did.

Fuck victims. Just because someone claims to be a victim doesn't mean they're right.