Quote from: Myrdin Potter;1091680I cannot help you in the darkness and ignorance you live in. I hope you recover.

Who was hurt except in their feelings? The reactions are over the top, because we have a bunch of nannies with the disposition of pirahhnas going after this guy.
His idea was dumb, the players didn't like it, and the con disapproved. Warn the guy to tone it down in the future. If he does it again, ban him. Problem solved, unless you want to use this incident to implement all kinds of stupid measures like X-Cards to make sure no one is ever offended again.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1091683Who was hurt except in their feelings? The reactions are over the top, because we have a bunch of nannies with the disposition of pirahhnas going after this guy.
His idea was dumb, the players didn't like it, and the con disapproved. Warn the guy to tone it down in the future. If he does it again, ban him.

Conversely, it's just a convention ban. He's not being hurt except maybe in feelings. No one has to actually be physically injured or traumatized in order to justify a convention ban. Being stupid or tasteless enough that it detracts from enjoyment of the convention should be sufficient.

NOTE: I don't know enough about the guy to advocate for or against a ban - I'd want more information about his other games and players first. I'm just saying that enough bad taste and poor judgment can justify a ban.

Quote from: Myrdin Potter;1091680I cannot help you in the darkness and ignorance you live in. I hope you recover.

Translated: Myrdin Potter has no idea on how to counter my argument.

Quote from: jhkim;1091691Conversely, it's just a convention ban. He's not being hurt except maybe in feelings. No one has to actually be physically injured or traumatized in order to justify a convention ban. Being stupid or tasteless enough that it detracts from enjoyment of the convention should be sufficient.

NOTE: I don't know enough about the guy to advocate for or against a ban - I'd want more information about his other games and players first. I'm just saying that enough bad taste and poor judgment can justify a ban.

Exactly. We don't have first hand info, and are getting conflicting reports. I bet the con organizers are in the same boat. Thus I'd go with a warning. You seem quite ready to endorse banning someone on admittedly little info.

Quote from: BrokenCounsel;1091590Yeah... this. My local con is Breakout, which is like the living epitome of the Woke RPG Convention. X cards are mandatory on all RPG games, and there's an array of other 'safety tools' GMs are 'encouraged' to use (for that read: 'If you don't use them, you're clearly a member of the Patriarchy, and most likely a fucking Nazi). So as well as handling a table full of complete strangers, the story, the game mechanics, and a finite timeslot, you now have to factor in how at least one of these safety mechanisms works, and be prepared for it to be potentially used by someone feeling triggered and confused, but under no obligation to explain why. Running a game is turning from being an enjoyable activity into a minefield of social awareness and dancing across hot coals. So I don't go to my local con.

Following this debacle, courtesy of a prick GM, it'll get worse - not better.

Wow. Condolences people. This is not RPG gaming, not even close. I would never run or play a game where x cards are being used, at a convention, or privately. These "safety tools" you speak of seem to be options that would keep douche GMs from running games like the one described at the UKGE games show, only guess what... IT DOESN'T WORK!. IMO these "safety tools" are just a layer of bullshit being adding by sjw's to make gaming a tedious experience instead of an enjoyable one.

There is simply no substitute for a good GM who is doing his/her job right, and that job is to be an impartial referee that describes in-game events and then adjudicates those events to provide a day or evening of entertainment for the players. The key word here is entertainment. If players are offended, harmed, insulted, or otherwise have a negative emotional experience because of some traumatic event from real life being actually dragged into the game, the GM isn't doing his/her job right, and should be immediately ejected or removed. Because. they. harm. the. entire. hobby. not. just. the. game. they. are. running.

I deliberately spoke slowly so those folks with an IQ of less than 80, as well as Gagarth could just maybe grok this concept of what job a real GM is obligated to do.

Quote from: Lychee of the Exchequer;1091557The Twitter mob is composed of deeply immature people masquerading as adults. But we as a society have not fully realized that yet.

We better change some things asap, lest the mobs soon demand blood in less symbolic ways. You think I'm exaggerating ? I've got three words for you: Salem witch trials. And another three words: Red Guard youths.

Good point and good breakdown of this immature behavior sweeping social media. Its also why we're seeing more violence at political rallies. The freaks have been told they are in charge, and constantly being rewarded for screeching and whining.

Quote from: BrokenCounsel;1091590Running a game is turning from being an enjoyable activity into a minefield of social awareness and dancing across hot coals. So I don't go to my local con.

There are probably FAR more gamers like you who don't want Woke Shit in their gaming than attendees of that local con. This is a rich opportunity for somebody to start a rival event.

Quote from: Lychee of the Exchequer;1091622Any con organizer who answers to their demands is digging his own grave. It's only a matter of time before he's pushed in it.

Exactly. Any con which changes itself because of ONE GM at ONE CON is fucking stupid.

Quote from: GameDaddy;1091699If players are offended, harmed, insulted, or otherwise have a negative emotional experience because of some traumatic event from real life being actually dragged into the game, the GM isn't doing his/her job right, and should be immediately ejected or removed. Because. they. harm. the. entire. hobby. not. just. the. game. they. are. running.

GMs are not telepathic therapists.

We don't volunteer to spend our free time walking on eggshells around asshats.

You think just running vanilla D&D will protect you? Wrong. Maybe you missed the part where killing orcs is White Supremacy. So you're running your plain as plain can be D&D game and you think everyone is having fun whacking those orcs, but next thing you know, the asshat runs to Twitter because you gave them a "negative emotional experience" where they were "offended, harmed and insulted"!!!

And now, one GM does not harm the entire hobby. We've had plenty of GMs over the decades do stupid shit (including some GMs who turned out to be actual criminals) and yet miraculously, the rest of us went on enjoying our hobby just fine.

However, if we give in to the SJW garbage, then the hobby is in trouble.

Quote from: Alexander Kalinowski;1091653Good, it is bound to create demand for cons without such restrictions and then those who need safe spaces can play at safe space cons and those who love some edge in their games can play at EdgyCon.com.

It NEVER works that way. Ever. Either their SAFE-con fails. And I have seen this before with the moral guardians of the 90s. Or they branch out to other cons anyhow to "SAVE" them, from themselves.

I see no reason why a competing event with its own values can't be created, and succeed in drawing in its own audience.

Of course, starting a con isn't easy. There's plenty of work, but its not rocket science.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1091700GMs are not telepathic therapists.

We don't volunteer to spend our free time walking on eggshells around asshats.

You think just running vanilla D&D will protect you? Wrong. Maybe you missed the part where killing orcs is White Supremacy. So you're running your plain as plain can be D&D game and you think everyone is having fun whacking those orcs, but next thing you know, the asshat runs to Twitter because you gave them a "negative emotional experience" where they were "offended, harmed and insulted"!!!

And now, one GM does not harm the entire hobby. We've had plenty of GMs over the decades do stupid shit (including some GMs who turned out to be actual criminals) and yet miraculously, the rest of us went on enjoying our hobby just fine.

However, if we give in to the SJW garbage, then the hobby is in trouble.

No one here said you had to be a therapist or to walk around on eggshells around asshats, so, ...not sure where that is coming from, ...however am sure about the intent of this comment.  Duly noted. It shouldn't be too difficult for you to manage to at least be civil to the players at your gaming table though, eh?

I didn't miss the part about killing orcs, I'm quite aware there is a group of misanthropes that sincerely believes that my idea of a good fantasy role-playing game is "badwrongfun". I find it is a great irony that for the vast majority of them I was actually playing the game, ...in fact running these game, ...before they were born.  Should I even care what they think about my games, ...and if so, why?

After a short period of expansion where I started running RPG games at conventions again since 2016, I have over the last year reduced the number of conventions I have been attending. I'm actually comfortable with that decision by the way, because for most of the people going to the shows, I wouldn't be interested in hosting a game for, and for the reason they are going to the shows, I'm not interested in attending. The shows have inherently changed, and they are no longer about gamers getting together to have a good time, but much more about gaming companies obtaining new customers, and new markets. It's all about the Benjamins, and no longer about meeting new players, and learning from other GMs. The new GM's have nothing to teach, because they create no original content, ...they only consume.

One GM can and does harm the hobby much more often than you think. I can think of three examples right off the top of my head. The hobby is not what it once was, and may never be the way that it was again.

I'd be happy if all the sjw's just dropped dead, but that is not likely to happen. I'll just have to content myself with staying as far away from them as possible, and privately enjoying my games with my group of friends who appreciate the virtues of a playing traditional fantasy and sci-fi roleplaying games.

What gets me is how SJWs have twisted the meaning of entitlement imo. Before one person demanding everything and anything be done their way and only their way was the textbook definition of what entitlement was and is. Now to justify their entitlement it is the reverse. Anyone and everyone who refuses to cater to their desires is entitled. No matter if someone travelled 2-3 hours to get to a convention game. Paid to get into the same convention. Someone uses an X-card well too bad so sad buttercup. Who cares about the time one traveled or the money being spent to get to the con. Or worse the time wasted. If someone uses the X-card not only is one supposed to bend over backwards to accommodate them. One is supposed to be happy at all times. I swear SJWs especially the ones over at TBP will be surprised and very disappointed imo. I will try and work with someone using an X-card. I'm not travelling for a very long time, paying to get into the con, only to have my time wasted at the table because one person out of the entire table uses an X-card then proceeds to not say anything about why an X-card was used. I try to work with them if not they will be politely booted from the table. Unlike the perfect world con scenarios that SJWs like to dream up. More often than not the X-card person will be booted from the table despite what the rules of the X-card demand everyone else at the table do.

As for the offending DM I still think he was and is clueless as fuck and his explanation for his actions equally as weak. He set out to troll and offend his players and when it backfired trying to cover his ass. That kind of immature shit both from players and DMs pisses me off and you will not get any sympathy from me if you try that kind of shit.

Quote from: CarlD.;1091601These seem regional. Being from the US, I'm not familiar with the terms. What's the gist of them?

It has already been explained further up the thread.

Quote from: Trond;1091694Translated: Myrdin Potter has no idea on how to counter my argument.

Actual transaction, there is no argument to counter. If you think springing a rape scenario on players not expecting it or warned about it in advance and that the decision by the con organizer on someone that was known for 10 years has less weight than a very weak defense where the GM admits that he did not tell the players any of the supposed background for why they were as they were, then I cannot argue with a fool and will not even try.

Quote from: Gagarth;1091714It has already been explained further up the thread.

I didn't see they're earlier mention and searching  this thread turned up nothing for whatever reason. This thread is 33 pages long for my settings so going through its post by post would mind numbing. So I asked for a brief definition

"They're obscenities" or the like would have sufficed, no encyclopedia entry length description required.  But given the current lack of response, I have to assume the point of them beyond what can be gathered from context isn't really that important to the points being discussed. *shrug*

I feel charitable towards my fellow gamer today, so here's for you CarlID:

ESSEX BOYS in all their shitty glory !

Quote from: JMcL63;1090856Essex boys were infamous in, IIRC, the 1990s, as particularly laddish youth and young men from the county of Essex in southern England- real dudebros if you will. Club 18/30 was an actual holiday company (which only ceased trading last year), which sent young people, aged 18-30 (surprise) on package holidays to typical party island destinations. One third of customers- average age 19-  were travelling on holiday without their parents for the first time. As you can imagine, these holidays were infamous for drinking and sex. Think 'spring break' if you will. So "grubby little Essex boys" on a "club 18/30" holiday conjures up an image of excess and debauchery. Add in the Inbetweeners references that Gagarth so helpfully provided, and you get an idea of what the GM had in mind when he conceived his scenario.

Quote from: Lychee of the Exchequer;1091727I feel charitable towards my fellow gamer today, so here's for you CarlID:

And its not even my birthday. Thanks