Like the title says one more victim of the unholy inquisition of the SocJus Cult

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Desborough seems to gloss over what the content was. The  report on Twitter that started this is that the GM sprang a kidnapping and gang rape of their teenage PCs on the players. If you're going to spring that on an audience without warning or clearing it with the convention organizers ... I have some sympathy with UKGE here.

But this, and the subsequent calls on TBP for universal mandatory X cards, reminds me of Chesterton's maxim: "When you break the big laws [restraint, modesty, sensitivity], you do not get freedom. You do not even get anarchy. You get the small laws."

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1090172Desborough seems to gloss over what the content was. The  report on Twitter that started this is that the GM sprang a kidnapping and gang rape of their teenage PCs on the players. If you're going to spring that on an audience without warning or clearing it with the convention organizers ... I have some sympathy with UKGE here.

But this, and the subsequent calls on TBP for universal mandatory X cards, reminds me of Chesterton's maxim: "When you break the big laws [restraint, modesty, sensitivity], you do not get freedom. You do not even get anarchy. You get the small laws."

Besides it being an horror 18+ game what other warning do they need?

When you bend the knee for the small seemingly reasonable requests you get the unholy inquisition.

Only right the player has is to quit the game.

Their calls for tolerance, inclusivity, restraint, modesty and sensitivity are but a disguise for them to get the power  to control what you're allowed to do always.

I didn't bend the knee to the Christian censors, not gonna do it to the SocJus Cult zealots.

Yeah... no.

Running a horror game is one thing. Running a game based around teen characters, and starting proceedings by introducing the fact that all the characters were/are gang raped as 8 year olds is beyond the fucking pale.  This kind of stunt has never been funny, welcome or acceptable. So while I don't agree with any calls for mandatory X cards and the like, on this occasion the GM in question was a fucking moron who deserved everything UKGE doled out to him. It was stupid and insensitive, and one of those occasions where you can't defend the actions with glib comments about 'free speech'. He knew full well what he was doing, likely knew what the consequences might be, and did it anyway. On the off chance that he's had his head buried up his ass for the past five years and wasn't aware that such trite 'shock' mechanisms are not going to cut any sympathetic ice, then tough shit pal.

But I do think that you treat this is an incident that's been handled, handled well by the con, and appropriate punishment meted. You don't treat it as some kind of apocalyptic meltdown of gaming as we know it (because it fucking ain't); treat it for what it was - a fucking stupid, insensitive, prick-move by one prick GM out of what must be thousands of GMs who didn't behave like pricks. What we'll now have is the likes of Delaforno and Helton demanding that he be sacked from his job, everyone who knows and likes him sacked from their's, his family being pointed at in the streets, and that he be forced to go and live on the same fucking penal colony island they previously had reserved for Bill Webb.

And so the wheel turns and grinds.

Sometimes the enemy of your enemy is an asshat.

Quote from: BrokenCounsel;1090184Yeah... no.

Running a horror game is one thing. Running a game based around teen characters, and starting proceedings by introducing the fact that all the characters were/are gang raped as 8 year olds is beyond the fucking pale.  This kind of stunt has never been funny, welcome or acceptable. So while I don't agree with any calls for mandatory X cards and the like, on this occasion the GM in question was a fucking moron who deserved everything UKGE doled out to him. It was stupid and insensitive, and one of those occasions where you can't defend the actions with glib comments about 'free speech'. He knew full well what he was doing, likely knew what the consequences might be, and did it anyway. On the off chance that he's had his head buried up his ass for the past five years and wasn't aware that such trite 'shock' mechanisms are not going to cut any sympathetic ice, then tough shit pal.

But I do think that you treat this is an incident that's been handled, handled well by the con, and appropriate punishment meted. You don't treat it as some kind of apocalyptic meltdown of gaming as we know it (because it fucking ain't); treat it for what it was - a fucking stupid, insensitive, prick-move by one prick GM out of what must be thousands of GMs who didn't behave like pricks. What we'll now have is the likes of Delaforno and Helton demanding that he be sacked from his job, everyone who knows and likes him sacked from their's, his family being pointed at in the streets, and that he be forced to go and live on the same fucking penal colony island they previously had reserved for Bill Webb.

And so the wheel turns and grinds.

UKGE can do what they want. The problem is the witch hunt unleashed by the woke morons as you point out. And people have the right to be a moron, an asshat or worse as long as they're not hurting anybody. (at least in the civilized world which UK isn't part of anymore).

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And so the wheel turns and grinds.

Well said.

Look. I get all the fist pumping and chest pounding. Everything is a line drawn in the sand...

First, advertising an 18+ adult horror game at a convention generically doesn't give the GM license to gang rape teenagers. This is a sensitive subject to some people. You don't just spring it without having SOME kind of discussion first. Secondly, why pick THIS subject for a con game? What an amazing way to reinforce the fat-bearded clueless InCel archetype.

I get all the snowflake outrage is getting fucking stupid. Yes, I too am tired of it. In this instance the person did not scream out or call for an inquisition. It was a simple kick the guy out and move on moment. It was delightfully not snowflake outrage until the snowflakes got a hold of it. Also, it's a no-brainer.

TL|DR Moronic InCel fat-beard drops FATAL on the table HARD without a postcard. Crowd fails sanity check and kicks him out. Forever. He deserves it. Unfortunately, news at 11.

Quote from: trechriron;1090187Well said.

Look. I get all the fist pumping and chest pounding. Everything is a line drawn in the sand...

First, advertising an 18+ adult horror game at a convention generically doesn't give the GM license to gang rape teenagers. This is a sensitive subject to some people. You don't just spring it without having SOME kind of discussion first. Secondly, why pick THIS subject for a con game? What an amazing way to reinforce the fat-bearded clueless InCel archetype.

I get all the snowflake outrage is getting fucking stupid. Yes, I too am tired of it. In this instance the person did not scream out or call for an inquisition. It was a simple kick the guy out and move on moment. It was delightfully not snowflake outrage until the snowflakes got a hold of it. Also, it's a no-brainer.

TL|DR Moronic InCel fat-beard drops FATAL on the table HARD without a postcard. Crowd fails sanity check and kicks him out. Forever. He deserves it. Unfortunately, news at 11.

"Gang rape fictional teenagers"

Kick him out? Yes
Ban him? Probably
Ruin his life and that of anybody close to him that doesn't join in the witch hunt? Hell no!

If you sign up for a 18+ horror game, you get an 18+ horror game.

I don't use rape in games. Never have, never will. Half-orcs are cursed humans and Dagon's fish people are cultists who transformed themselves for immortality willingly. I do however use a fuckton of splatterpunk level gore worthy of a Cannibal Corpse album.

But nobody gets to whine when 18+ horror (that's not R in the US, that's equivalent to NC-17 or X rated) goes to creepy fucked up places. If its too much for you, your choice is to walk. Just like out of a movie or putting down a book that you thought might be within your horror enjoyment zone, but turns out to not be your thing.

Of course, SJWs can't be adults and the gamer wimp brigade of course is hugging their diapers in panic.

BTW, was GRIM the GM?

EDIT - okay, just watched Grim's video. Glad to hear it wasn't him (and yet, gotta admit I assumed it might be)

It seems like it was a dumb scenario and on the otherhand GeekyBugle is right that the resulting outrage seems over blown.

QuoteAnd people have the right to be a moron, an asshat or worse as long as they're not hurting anybody.

Yeah, they do. But this time, what he did was cause harm. Fuck man, I'd have been upset if I'd been one of the players. I'm not pearl-clutching on behalf of the Woke Hive Mind, but on this instance, the guy was a prick in a public place, caused damage, and has been duly kicked in the metaphorical nuts for it. I applaud the nut kicking.

QuoteRuin his life and that of anybody close to him that doesn't join in the witch hunt? Hell no!

100% with you. But his stupidity has simply handed the Woke Morality Police a nicely weighted baton round, so he gets another kick in the nuts for being too dip-shit stupid/egomaniacal (take your pick) to realize what would happen here.

Quote(at least in the civilized world which UK isn't part of anymore).

With the Way of the Woke rampant, the whole world is going to hell in a fucking handcart. The UK is just ahead of the curve.

Quote from: BrokenCounsel;1090214Yeah, they do. But this time, what he did was cause harm. Fuck man, I'd have been upset if I'd been one of the players. I'm not pearl-clutching on behalf of the Woke Hive Mind, but on this instance, the guy was a prick in a public place, caused damage, and has been duly kicked in the metaphorical nuts for it. I applaud the nut kicking.



100% with you. But his stupidity has simply handed the Woke Morality Police a nicely weighted baton round, so he gets another kick in the nuts for being too dip-shit stupid/egomaniacal (take your pick) to realize what would happen here.


With the Way of the Woke rampant, the whole world is going to hell in a fucking handcart. The UK is just ahead of the curve.

Really? How did it cause harm? Because if it did you'd be able to prove it and it would be a crime (not a thought crime but a real crime), and hurt fee fees don't count.

And he had the right to be a prick, and the player had the right to up and leave, instead choose to stay to the end and then complain. The con might be right in kicking him out, after that? Nothing.

He might well be stupid or a shock jock, who cares? Yes we all know it couldn't end in any other way, and still we should all be furious that the woke morons have the power to destroy his life over this.

Yeah, funny enough turns out UK is a meme.

Quote from: Shasarak;1090199It seems like it was a dumb scenario and on the otherhand GeekyBugle is right that the resulting outrage seems over blown.

I'm happy to concede it was a dumb scenario by a shock jock dipshit.

Yet history has shown we can't concede the pearl clutching brigade any power, so the con kicks him out and even bans him? A little overblown for a first time offender but okey.

Anything beyond that is a witch hunt and should be denounced by any freedom loving person even if they find the mere thought of such scenario revolting.

QuoteReally? How did it cause harm? Because if it did you'd be able to prove it and it would be a crime (not a thought crime but a real crime), and hurt fee fees don't count.

The players paid money to take part in the game, which implies they made a consumer choice based on a description of what the expect. They sat down at a table expecting X, and Shit-Heel springs Y on them. One of the players was a first-time role-player, according to reports, and is going to be taking away a really fucking sweet impression of this hobby. Why didn't they get up and walk away? Many reasons: didn't want to be rude (Canadians and Brits are like that. It's a cultural thing); didn't want to cause a fuss; didn't know how to react. Didn't want to ruin the game for others. The point is, they were subjected to something that was unexpected and done purely for the 'shock value' - which I interpret as this Prick GM deriving some kind of personal lolz from seeing the shocked expressions on everyone's faces when he did what he did. Yeah, it was damage. A bit more than just 'hurt fee-fees', because it was a deliberate attempt to mislead, shock and cause discomfort.

But hey - you think that's okay, and that's your right. As you said, everyone has the right to be an asshole.