Going from memory, I think their thread mentioned that a few tried to post on the SJG forums but it was deleted.

Frog God Games just started a new Kickstarter and it funded in under 2 hours and zero drama from it so far.

And the example above of a harassment charge that was not valid was that the accused had to explain what happened and then they were allowed to stay. Does lot seem that traumatic...

Quote from: Myrdin Potter;1088123Frog God Games just started a new Kickstarter and it funded in under 2 hours and zero drama from it so far.

Which proves the outrage campaigns on TBP accomplish nothing.  The notion that the mods and vocal SJWs have any clout when it comes to purchasing power is a myth.  The sooner game companies realize this the less likely they'll be to bow down to these freaks.

Well, a great number of them are not actual gamers (unless LARPing as one on the Internet counts), and of the rest, most tend to gravitate towards indie and post-WW gaming. They never were a site whose clientele would have much to do with FGG's products.

Quote from: Antiquation!;1088104To be fair I think it would be against their forum rules, but you'd think with as fervently as these people say they care about this "issue" at least a couple would have stood up for their beliefs and martyred themselves in front of the SJG playerbase by now. You know, sort of like several people did in the TBP thread who held their own convictions.

Most of them will not. They want an echo chamber for a forum as well as similar mods to TBP. If they can't get that most don't have the stones to stand behind their beliefs. All their talk about boycotting and selling off their SJGames product is just that talk. To be part of the cool kids club and lose any and all shreds of self-respect jump on the anti-SJGames bandwagon. Which is why both FGG and SJGames stood their ground. Most of those SJWs and woke gamers don't buy their products so fuck them and any of their gaming crusades

Quote from: Antiquation!;1088104Or even if they'd come over here to therpgsite to froth at the mouth. I suppose this place is a little too "alt-right fascist" for them though.

Most of them are so convinced their I say self brainwashed about narratives and their own beliefs that they would not recognize a real fascist if one came up to them and put them in a concentration camp. That is how insane and deluded they are.

They are also the world biggest hypocrites over at rpg.net. They claim to be paragons of virtue yet anyone and everyone who goes against the holy behaviroal scriptures of rpg.net is a fascist. if one does not like everything and anything about 4E Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay well your goosestepping right up their with Hitler:

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/wfrp-4e-neo-nazi-alt-right-backlash-against-4th-edition-wfrp-is-this-a-thing.845895/

Quote from: Antiquation!;1088104Interesting. Seems to me there might exist a little fear for them in leaving their hugbox.

Unfortunately for some odd reason too many companies give them too much power simply because they want to jump on the fully woke brigade. FGG and SJG pretty much showed companies that one does not need to bend over backwards to SJWs and the fully woke

Quote from: myleftnut;1088132Which proves the outrage campaigns on TBP accomplish nothing.  The notion that the mods and vocal SJWs have any clout when it comes to purchasing power is a myth.  The sooner game companies realize this the less likely they'll be to bow down to these freaks.

Notice how no one over at the TBP started an outraged "how dare gamers back both Kickstarters" thread. It would only highlight how useless and pathetic they are and even more their efforts at trying to destroy both rpg companies.

Quote from: sureshot;1088149Unfortunately for some odd reason too many companies give them too much power simply because they want to jump on the fully woke brigade. FGG and SJG pretty much showed companies that one does not need to bend over backwards to SJWs and the fully woke

Publishers make the mistake of believing social media drama is representative of the wider hobby or market. They don't seem to realize that not only are only a tiny fraction of gamers active on twitter, RPGnet, etc., but that fraction is nowhere close to being representative of the wider market in its in makeup and attitudes. This reality is slowly dawning on decision-makers in the wider world, who have access to other sources of market data. But I expect RPG publishers will be slower to recognize how bad of an idea it is to base your decisions on an egregiously unrepresentative sampling of 3 per cent of your market.

Quote from: sureshot;1088149Most of them will not. They want an echo chamber for a forum as well as similar mods to TBP. If they can't get that most don't have the stones to stand behind their beliefs. All their talk about boycotting and selling off their SJGames product is just that talk.

It certainly appears that way to me. But if anyone from TBP is reading this (probably not since it's so 'toxic' here), feel free to step in and prove us wrong.

Quote from: sureshot;1088149Most of them are so convinced their I say self brainwashed about narratives and their own beliefs that they would not recognize a real fascist if one came up to them and put them in a concentration camp.

Perhaps they might consider it the greatest 'safe space' of all time? (to be extra clear for anyone reading, this is complete cynical sarcasm)

Quote from: sureshot;1088149They are also the world biggest hypocrites over at rpg.net. They claim to be paragons of virtue yet anyone and everyone who goes against the holy behaviroal scriptures of rpg.net is a fascist.

It's just boggles my mind completely the total and utter lack of self-awareness on display. The only thing that prevents me from calling it outright fascist is the fact that technically the site is a private platform, so really they can do whatever they want over there without it truly being an issue of free speech (IMO)... HOWEVER, the moderation certainly exhibits some fascist tendencies and I would sure as shit never trust any of them in any form of political office or institutions of education.

But as you say, I don't think the majority of their alleged convictions really run that deeply anyway.

Quote from: sureshot;1088149https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/wfrp-4e-neo-nazi-alt-right-backlash-against-4th-edition-wfrp-is-this-a-thing.845895/

Yeah, I saw this one too. It's pretty unreal how quickly these threads escalate their outrage.

QuoteUnfortunately for some odd reason too many companies give them too much power simply because they want to jump on the fully woke brigade. FGG and SJG pretty much showed companies that one does not need to bend over backwards to SJWs and the fully woke

I noted that Satine Phoenix is promoting one of the latest Frog God Games scenarios on Facebook in the past couple of days, and I take that as a really encouraging sign. Will Stacey and Helton demand a boycott of Satine's broadcasts, because she's obviously not supporting women by giving air time to FGG? Let's see if they do. If they're true to their principles, they ought to. If they don't, they prove what fucking hypocrites they really are.

Quote from: sureshot;1088149They are also the world biggest hypocrites over at rpg.net. They claim to be paragons of virtue yet anyone and everyone who goes against the holy behaviroal scriptures of rpg.net is a fascist. if one does not like everything and anything about 4E Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay well your goosestepping right up their with Hitler:

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/wfrp-4e-neo-nazi-alt-right-backlash-against-4th-edition-wfrp-is-this-a-thing.845895/

Huh, that got me curious. I could only find one thread here of WFRP 4E from July 2018 and it was almost entirely positive, with the most negative of comments just people saying they were happy with their 1E, 2E or 3E versions and not seeing the new edition adding enough to get them to buy it. The term SJW wasn't used once in the thread. In fact the only drama at all came after a comparison to ZH turned into an opportunity for a poster to try and make the thread about how terrible Pundit is.


You guys are slipping, supposedly nazis were coming out of the woodwork to condemn the game, not one of our resident nazis made a peep about it, very disappointed.


The first 6 or 7 pages was a rational discussion about a new game, prior to a posters OT grudge derail.

https://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?39348-Is-anyone-looking-at-WFRP4e-yet

Quote from: Toadmaster;1088203Huh, that got me curious. I could only find one thread here of WFRP 4E from July 2018

Maybe it was some other Nazis?

I checked out the Arch Warhammer Youtube channel and it all seemed entirely innocuous, bearing no resemblance to their description. I think they live in a parrallel universe.

Quote from: Haffrung;1088178Publishers make the mistake of believing social media drama is representative of the wider hobby or market.

Thus GURPS 4e: The Gearheading. Since we're speaking of SJG and all.

Quote from: Antiquation!;1086468I have had multiple people metaphorically jump down my throat over divergent opinions, up to and including vice presidents of my company and even my own manager, even when I was carefully wording and curating my speech so as not to cause unrest. Additionally, family members born and raised here, who cannot even listen to views opposing their own let alone accept their validity or consider them intellectually.

This is the soil in which fascism grows.

Quote from: Crawford Tillinghast;1086842Nah, Bellum Maga.  I have yet to figure out if that game is serious, a satire, or disinformatsia from Patriarchal stooges.

*shudder*

Worse. It's fetish fuel.

Quote from: Bradford C. Walker;1086844The Quartering wins his civil suit against the man who attacked him at GenCon. The settlement forces an apology out of the attacker and--and this is what I know stings something fierce--has to confess that Quartering is not a Nazi. Video is here.

#Winning

Quote from: Bradford C. Walker;1086844Watch the usual places to see if the salt flows over this.

They don't appear to be talking about it at all, or only doing so in secret. And the only salt I'm seeing is from people upset that Hambly deleted all the related videos.

Quote from: rgalex;1086916Both parties had a line in their prepared statements asking GenCon to rescind the other person's ban so now GenCon needs to decide what to do.  They could just keep them both banned or lift both.  Where it would get interesting is if they lift one but not the other.

My bet is GenCon does nothing since there's no winning move for them here.

Quote from: Almost_Useless;1087069by the look on his face, Hambly is pretty happy with the deal he got.  He probably considered it a small price to pay to get whatever else he got and be able wrap up before his legal fund ran out.

Honestly, by not pursuing more aggressive resolutions he comes off as the bigger person.

Quote from: rgalex;1087128Can I add to that by pointing out that Motorskills was just banned for 2 weeks (pending admin review.) at TBP for posting about that outcome.  Supporting Comicsgate and both-sideism don't you know.

Quote from: wmarshal;1087188I don't know if "Purée" is a high enough setting to describe what's going on. In their 14 day banning of Motorskills they've implied he's pro-KKK, pro-Confederacy and pro-Comicsgate/Gamergate.

Quote from: S'mon;1087223If a lefty-liberal like Motorskills is a KKK-white supremacist in the eyes of RPGnet, I wonder how they regard the more red-blooded posters here? "Worse than Hitler" presumably to start with.

Quote from: Chris24601;1087340The very fact that they label someone like Motorskills as a KKK-supporter

That's...crazy.

Hey @Motorskills, care to comment?

Quote from: wmarshal;1087188Qouting the mod:

You necro'd this thread to

a) post a Comicsgater's content

b) insult another poster

I don't believe this is posted in good-faith - the way you talk about his subscriber count, your apparently agreeing with him, and again, necroing the thread to insult another poster does not make me think this is any different to your previous both-sides comments in favour of groups like the Confederacy and the KKK.

As you well know, support of Gamergate and related hate-movements like Comicsgate is not permitted here. Two week ban pending admin review.
Send your appeal, if any, to the admins (admin.rpgnet@gmail.com) as per all previous times you've been banned.

Notice all the weasel words.

My bet is this gets upgraded to a permanent ban after 'review'.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;1087269I guess Jessica Price has once again opened her Twitter Mouth and started REEEEing at people, still holding up the muh poisoned drink narrative?  Stupid bitch.

Quote from: Myrdin Potter;1087294I did not see anything that looked like her commenting on this at all. Do you have a link or a screenshot?

Her specific claims are: "Another employee came to me for help finding an executive after BJ asked for her help, and told her she thought she might have been roofied."

Quote from: Chris24601;1087340I'm also wondering if there isn't a legal case that could be dropped on RPG.net in general with this.

There is, but not in the way you're thinking.

Quote from: BronzeDragon;1087443The problem with most of these "policies" is that they either lack proper definitions or are intentionally kept very vague in order to allow anything to be construed as "harassment".

Quote from: Myrdin Potter;1087464The vagueness is a feature, not a bug. It allows more judgment to be applied.

Vague laws arbitrarily enforced is the backbone of every totalitarian regime.

Quote from: Myrdin Potter;1087597I assume that any woman complaining about harassment has good cause to,

I don't, because I've known too many to lie, including ones who suckered me into helping them and exposed me to additional liability. But neither do I assume that every woman complaining about harassment is doing so in bad faith.

Quote from: rgalex;1087641The current method, combined with "believe the woman" nearly completely fucked me over at a con.  

I sat down to play a game with 6 other people and noticed that one of the women was, to me, attractive.  Over the course of the next 4 hours of gaming everyone had a great time and I got to see a little more of her personality.  Afterward I thought to myself "self, she's attractive, seems smart and witty, and at the very least we share RPGs as a common interest.  Why not see if she wants to go get a bite to eat?"

And that's what I did.  It was almost lunch when we finished playing so I politely asked her "Excuse me, would you like to go get some lunch?"

She said no thanks and hurried away.  I shrugged, found my other frineds and went off with them for food.

Later that day I was approached by con staff saying someone had made a complaint that I had harassed them.  They pulled me out of the game I was currently in and took me to a room off the side.  I was told that they were going to kick me out for violating their harassment policy.  After an hour of back and forthing and finally getting them to tell me what the incident was I demanded that they go get anyone else that was there at the time and ask them what happened. They finally got the GM of the game and she backed me up saying she saw the whole thing and that all I did was ask if the woman wanted to go get lunch.  

They let me stay but said if there were any other complaints I'd be out and my badge revoked. So I lost a lot of time, got threatened with expulsion, missed a game (which they wouldn't refund my ticket for) and came away with a great sense of how fucked up things are these days.

If this had happened to me, I would have demanded both my badge and ticket be refunded, recorded the whole incident, and left the con, especially after the ominous threat that I'd be kicked if there were any 'other' complaints. Why should I waste my time and money walking their minefield?

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1087651Having grown with a sister, two female cousins, my mom, my granma and an aunt I also learned women will call a creep any man they don't want to be hit on by, and interpret anything he does says in the worst way, while a guy they find themselves interested in can be the worst tug, have a sailor mouth, be crass and rude and they will laugh it off as jokes and say he's charming.

Quote from: SHARK;1087681if the woman does find you attractive, then most of the things a man would say or do are entirely accepted and welcomed. "He's charming!" "He's so fine!" and on and on. That same behavior, or the same words, though, coming from a man she has no interest in, is regarded as "HARASSMENT!" That's fucking bullshit, my friend.

That right there is the fucking problem. Yeah, a fuckload of women interpret anything from an ugly man as "Harassment!" as opposed to what would legitimately be considered *actual* harassment.

S'true.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1087651"Believe the victim" got many innocent black men lynched in the USA not so long ago. I think the only way this will go away is if more women start getting caught in the trap.

It's not going away because they don't actually care about innocent black men or the safety of women. Sadly they're already getting exactly what they want.

Quote from: sureshot;1087652If politely asking someone for lunch is now considered harrassment why woukd I or any other male risk any social contact.

I've come to the conclusion that the typical SJWs view of human relationships is so warped that they're incapable of discerning between genuine intimacy and abusive manipulation. Coincidentally I've also known plenty of people from abusive families with the same problem. So I don't doubt they've faced abuse, but they're never going to make progress by applying the same coping strategies to healthy relationships as they did for toxic ones.

Quote from: Steven Mitchell;1087680Well, that, and also that I don't want to be gaming at a table where almost any remark I make might be construed as harassment, solely due to the twisted interpretation of the the listener.  I don't see how I'm supposed to relax and pay attention to the game under those circumstances.

This is the current state of social media too, and likely a major factor in the increase in suicides we're seeing.

Quote from: Omega;1087735How to pick up women in 5 easy steps: 1: Walk up to the woman. 2: Place hands firmly on woman's hips. 3: Lift woman over head. 4: Set woman back down. 5: Walk away from woman.
addendum: Make sure your STR score is sufficient to lift the woman.

They should add that somewhere into Gurps.

Not with the Grappling rules the way they are.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1087759I believe I've found the problem...socially inept women have joined our hobby.

And are just as protective of it.

Quote from: Lychee of the Exchequer;1087959Why does this seem to be affecting the RPG milieu particularly ?

Quote from: Anselyn;1087973Because RPGs give you a chance to try out a new identity if you don't like the one you start with?

Quote from: jeff37923;1088017Low hanging fruit. The socially inept who feel powerful as SJWs were the ones that most often were protected by the Geek Social Fallacies so common in tabletop RPG gamers.

Quote from: Steven Mitchell;1088041Well, that and the club committee dynamic, where "the infighting is so vicious because the stakes are so low."

I'll add: RPGs allow one to create an entire imaginary world which validates one's beliefs and values. And once you've gone there you tend to see any RPG which doesn't as a threat.

Quote from: BrokenCounsel;1088197I noted that Satine Phoenix is promoting one of the latest Frog God Games scenarios on Facebook in the past couple of days, and I take that as a really encouraging sign.

She was also friends with Zak and did the art for of James Desborough's Machinations of the Space Princess, so I'm surprised more hasn't happened to her already.

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1088241She was also friends with Zak and did the art for of James Desborough's Machinations of the Space Princess, so I'm surprised more hasn't happened to her already.

I think all but the most crazed SJWs know when someone is not a viable target. To be a good target they have to be someone that can be fixed/freezed/isolated, per Alinsky. Satine does not match the profile.

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1088241This is the soil in which fascism grows.

It's not going away because they don't actually care about innocent black men or the safety of women. Sadly they're already getting exactly what they want.

It won't go away because the SJWs suddenly develop a conscience, but they are 8% of the USA population, I'm betting way less in other countries. And humans evolved as a gynocentrist species, which is why the "think of the wahmen" cries almost always work.

The moment more innocent women start getting caught in the trap society at large will cry for these lynching mobs to disappear.

Sadly more innocent black men will do nothing to move society, not because they're black, but because they are men.

Quote from: Haffrung;1088178Publishers make the mistake of believing social media drama is representative of the wider hobby or market. They don't seem to realize that not only are only a tiny fraction of gamers active on twitter, RPGnet, etc., but that fraction is nowhere close to being representative of the wider market in its in makeup and attitudes. This reality is slowly dawning on decision-makers in the wider world, who have access to other sources of market data. But I expect RPG publishers will be slower to recognize how bad of an idea it is to base your decisions on an egregiously unrepresentative sampling of 3 per cent of your market.

I think they actually do realize it (at least, the really business savvy ones), but it doesn't take that many determined morons to massively increase your costs. Putting out fires is time consuming and therefore costly.

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1088241That's...crazy.

Hey @Motorskills, care to comment?

I'm not making any public comments at this time. Thanks.