Quote from: jhkim;1087840If the gathering is big enough to have professional security - that can help, but it certainly doesn't eliminate it. And people are concerned. My cousin's daughter just publicly came out that she was raped at a college party, and it's been weighing on me. It's simply false to say that there aren't major concerns about harassment and assault at mainstream gatherings, and thus that it is some concern peculiar to nerd gatherings.

I am deeply sorry that your cousin's daughter was raped. That is a horrible thing to happen to a person and my heart goes out to her.

However, rape and assault are orders of magnitude greater than harassment.

Quote from: jhkim;1087840Bashing on Trekkies is just as idiotic as the bashing on D&D players. It's overwhelmingly false. Sure, both Trekkies and D&D players differ from what is typical of the mainstream, but they're no less successful in career or life by any objective measures. There exist unsuccessful Trekkies, but there are just as many unsuccessful mainstream people - like former high school football players now struggling in dead-end jobs, divorced and broke. Trekkies are more likely women than men, for one thing, and their marital status is roughly average.

I would tell you to lighten up, but I think that you are in a lot of emotional turmoil at the moment.

If it would help to talk about it or cuss me out or whatever, publicly or privately, please feel free to do so. I am at your disposal.

Quote from: jhkim;1087835First of all, the vast majority of public events don't have professional security. Some particularly big ones with a significant price do, but small gatherings or conventions generally don't. For events that don't have professional security, there usually is organizer concern over how to handle problems like harassment. From my experience of raves, say, that's a regular concern.

Convention centers and hotels have their own security. If you are in a hotel bar or even in the lobby, there is someone around. Organizers can also hire additional help and set expectations (which they all seem to do).

Not all public events hire security, but game conventions in these venues have them one way or the other because the facility has them. They aren't necessarily standing out in the middle of the event though, not unless the organizers actually pay for that.

Some behavior can get out of hand for the same reasons for many types of events, especially with ready access to booze and good music nearby or in the same venue.

So far this is staying within bounds, but a reminder once again: keep this to within the topic of the RPG hobby please. I don't want to have to issue sanctions.

Quote from: wmarshal;1087805The next company that decides to hire her (I'm afraid for you Free League) probably goes on my "not going to bother with anymore because they're plain stupid" list because they insist on being the frog that lets the scorpion ride its back.

Man is not a learning animal.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1087869Giving attention to drama llamas is like blowing air on embers, it keeps them going.

Why are you linking to, quoting and responding to this stuff?

Because it lends meaning to my dull, meaningless existence. Plus, shits and giggles.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1087869Giving attention to drama llamas is like blowing air on embers, it keeps them going.

I think it's important that people are aware of what they're potentially facing, regarding SJWs.

Some, overwhelmingly to the left of the political spectrum, tend to dismiss the SJW phenomenom as childish college students and young adults blowing some steam and maybe a little too idealistic for their own good.

No. These people are toxic and highly dangerous, in the RPG hobby and everywhere else. Letting them be revealed by their own words is a good thing.

It's funny how it's also a question of numbers. The first time you come across a person who wants to be adressed as "them" or "they" you smile at the kookiness of it. The 100th time, you think something really dark is brewing in the USA.

This has been a long time coming. Political correctness was the vector of the current viciousness.

Why does this seem to be affecting the RPG milieu particularly ? I don't know. Perhaps it's the same reason that SJWs want to wreck havoc in video games too: maybe authoritarian types can't stand people having a good time. When you're angry and bitter, you sometimes want to piss in the Cheerios of people having a wee fun.

Quote from: Lychee of the Exchequer;1087959Why does this seem to be affecting the RPG milieu particularly ? I don't know. Perhaps it's the same reason that SJWs want to wreck havoc in video games too: maybe authoritarian types can't stand people having a good time. When you're angry and bitter, you sometimes want to piss in the Cheerios of people having a wee fun.

SJWs are the new Puritans and you know the old saying... "Puritianism: The haunting fear that someone somewhere may be happy."

They're miserable and rather than try and fix themselves they settle for trying to drag everyone else down into misery with them.

Quote from: Lychee of the Exchequer;1087959Why does this seem to be affecting the RPG milieu particularly ?

Because RPGs give you a chance to try out a new identity if you don't like the one you start with?

Quote from: Chris24601;1087969SJWs are the new Puritans and you know the old saying... "Puritianism: The haunting fear that someone somewhere may be happy."

Bingo! Chris24601 wins the thread!

Quote from: Lychee of the Exchequer;1087959Why does this seem to be affecting the RPG milieu particularly ?

Low hanging fruit. The socially inept who feel powerful as SJWs were the ones that most often were protected by the Geek Social Fallacies so common in tabletop RPG gamers.

Quote from: jeff37923;1088017Low hanging fruit. The socially inept who feel powerful as SJWs were the ones that most often were protected by the Geek Social Fallacies so common in tabletop RPG gamers.

Well, that and the club committee dynamic, where "the infighting is so vicious because the stakes are so low."

So did any of these nuts actually try and pester SJG on their own forums or did they slink about their usual gathering spots and take pot shots from their little forts?

Quote from: Lychee of the Exchequer;1087959I think it's important that people are aware of what they're potentially facing, regarding SJWs.

Some, overwhelmingly to the left of the political spectrum, tend to dismiss the SJW phenomenom as childish college students and young adults blowing some steam and maybe a little too idealistic for their own good.

No. These people are toxic and highly dangerous, in the RPG hobby and everywhere else. Letting them be revealed by their own words is a good thing.

It's funny how it's also a question of numbers. The first time you come across a person who wants to be adressed as "them" or "they" you smile at the kookiness of it. The 100th time, you think something really dark is brewing in the USA.

This has been a long time coming. Political correctness was the vector of the current viciousness.

Why does this seem to be affecting the RPG milieu particularly ? I don't know. Perhaps it's the same reason that SJWs want to wreck havoc in video games too: maybe authoritarian types can't stand people having a good time. When you're angry and bitter, you sometimes want to piss in the Cheerios of people having a wee fun.

The geek identities (gamer, trekie, etc) are identities that cross racial, religious, sexual national, etc lines. Identities that unite ppl from all around the world, from every walk of life, can't be allowed to exist since they contradict the intersectional dogma of hate and division.

Quote from: Omega;1088071So did any of these nuts actually try and pester SJG on their own forums or did they slink about their usual gathering spots and take pot shots from their little forts?

Don't see anything.

Quote from: Aglondir;1088101Don't see anything.

I frequent the SJG forums very regularly and I haven't seen a single peep through this entire fiasco.

To be fair I think it would be against their forum rules, but you'd think with as fervently as these people say they care about this "issue" at least a couple would have stood up for their beliefs and martyred themselves in front of the SJG playerbase by now. You know, sort of like several people did in the TBP thread who held their own convictions.

Or even if they'd come over here to therpgsite to froth at the mouth. I suppose this place is a little too "alt-right fascist" for them though.

Interesting. Seems to me there might exist a little fear for them in leaving their hugbox.