I believe I've found the problem...socially inept women have joined our hobby.

The vast majority of women navigate bars just fine. There's no crying panic that bars need safe spaces. Or concerts. Or stadiums. Or any other public event space. However, now we have women who can't handle a geek convention. Why?

The immediate jump is to blame the socially inept men, but these socially inept men exist in many other public event spaces too without this crying panic.

So thanks to our hobby's geek social fallacies and long history of inclusivity, we now have the socially inept of both genders incapable of dealing with each other.

It's actually pretty funny when you think about it. Male Dork + Female Dork = REEEEEE!

The scorpion in action today:
https://archive.fo/0U80Z

"Boo-hoo, FGG is hardly promoting the edition of S&W I was team lead on! But I don't want to have any connection to FGG and would remove all links if I could!"

Which is it, Stacy? You want the connection to remain, or you want it removed?

"Doesn't matter, because at my convenience I'll blame FGG for whichever choice they make!"

Given that her personal website still drives traffic to FGG I think we can determine her real preference.

https://archive.fo/t76cp (Towards the bottom)

There must be some money she gets paid for each copy sold.

The next company that decides to hire her (I'm afraid for you Free League) probably goes on my "not going to bother with anymore because they're plain stupid" list because they insist on being the frog that lets the scorpion ride its back.

Especially hilarious is her immediately previous tweet, (retweet from Shitbird Helton) yesterday:

"Hey creatives! Here's an idea: finish your projects and do what you want to be doing rather than bagging on other creatives who are doing what they want to be doing, just in a way that you might not agree with. Quit worrying about what other people like and like what you want."

Holy shit.  If only these fucking lunatics took their own advice.

That could apply around here too.

I mean... sometimes we do live in a glass house here.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1087759I believe I've found the problem...socially inept women have joined our hobby.

The vast majority of women navigate bars just fine. There's no crying panic that bars need safe spaces. Or concerts. Or stadiums. Or any other public event space. However, now we have women who can't handle a geek convention. Why?

The immediate jump is to blame the socially inept men, but these socially inept men exist in many other public event spaces too without this crying panic.

So thanks to our hobby's geek social fallacies and long history of inclusivity, we now have the socially inept of both genders incapable of dealing with each other.

It's actually pretty funny when you think about it. Male Dork + Female Dork = REEEEEE!

There is truth here.

Quote from: Lynn;1087705It is no different from any other public event - convention, festival, music jam, public sports event or the like. At any of them, there is security that will evaluate what happened on the spot. And you are right, if someone is setting the bar at 'he talked to me first' then security rightly walks away.

That's the crux of the issue. What's so special about nerd conventions that they're seething with moral panic over harassment, and require unrelenting vigilance, special rules, protocols, etc.? How are they so different from other public gatherings?

Quote from: Haffrung;1087830That's the crux of the issue. What's so special about nerd conventions that they're seething with moral panic over harassment, and require unrelenting vigilance, special rules, protocols, etc.? How are they so different from other public gatherings?

Nerd conventions may be the only places where socially retarded nerds think they may get nookie?

Lets face it, nerd conventions make it possible for Trekkies to breed.....

Quote from: LynnIt is no different from any other public event - convention, festival, music jam, public sports event or the like. At any of them, there is security that will evaluate what happened on the spot. And you are right, if someone is setting the bar at 'he talked to me first' then security rightly walks away.

Quote from: Haffrung;1087830That's the crux of the issue. What's so special about nerd conventions that they're seething with moral panic over harassment, and require unrelenting vigilance, special rules, protocols, etc.? How are they so different from other public gatherings?

First of all, the vast majority of public events don't have professional security. Some particularly big ones with a significant price do, but small gatherings or conventions generally don't.

For events that don't have professional security, there usually is organizer concern over how to handle problems like harassment. From my experience of raves, say, that's a regular concern.

Raves are a very different environment than conventions....

Quote from: jeff37923;1087836Raves are a very different environment than conventions....

Well, duh. That's the point. Mainstream activities like rock concerts, raves, or sporting events are different than nerd activities. But they both have problems with harassment. For example,

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/artists-fans-push-end-sexual-harassment-at-music-festivals-1134234

If the gathering is big enough to have professional security - that can help, but it certainly doesn't eliminate it. And people are concerned. My cousin's daughter just publicly came out that she was raped at a college party, and it's been weighing on me. It's simply false to say that there aren't major concerns about harassment and assault at mainstream gatherings, and thus that it is some concern peculiar to nerd gatherings.

Quote from: jeff37923;1087832Nerd conventions may be the only places where socially retarded nerds think they may get nookie?

Lets face it, nerd conventions make it possible for Trekkies to breed.....

Bashing on Trekkies is just as idiotic as the bashing on D&D players. It's overwhelmingly false. Sure, both Trekkies and D&D players differ from what is typical of the mainstream, but they're no less successful in career or life by any objective measures. There exist unsuccessful Trekkies, but there are just as many unsuccessful mainstream people - like former high school football players now struggling in dead-end jobs, divorced and broke. Trekkies are more likely women than men, for one thing, and their marital status is roughly average.

Quote from: jhkim;1087840Well, duh. That's the point. Mainstream activities like rock concerts, raves, or sporting events are different than nerd activities. But they both have problems with harassment. For example,

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/artists-fans-push-end-sexual-harassment-at-music-festivals-1134234

If the gathering is big enough to have professional security - that can help, but it certainly doesn't eliminate it. And people are concerned. My cousin's daughter just publicly came out that she was raped at a college party, and it's been weighing on me. It's simply false to say that there aren't major concerns about harassment and assault at mainstream gatherings, and thus that it is some concern peculiar to nerd gatherings.

I'm sorry that your cousin's daughter was raped. I think everyone here condemns rape.
Your inclusion of that anecdote and the link seems to indicate that you think rape, harassment and unwanted advances are all interconnected. Is that correct?

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1087841I'm sorry that your cousin's daughter was raped. I think everyone here condemns rape.
Your inclusion of that anecdote and the link seems to indicate that you think rape, harassment and unwanted advances are all interconnected. Is that correct?

They are not the same thing by any stretch, but I do think there is a topical connection between harassment and rape -- people who refuse to take "no" as an answer.

To be clear, I don't think that anyone here is favorable to either rape or harassment. I just wanted to emphasize that mainstream gatherings have real problems with both harassment and rape.

Quote from: wmarshal;1087805The scorpion in action today:
https://archive.fo/0U80Z

"Boo-hoo, FGG is hardly promoting the edition of S&W I was team lead on! But I don't want to have any connection to FGG and would remove all links if I could!"

Which is it, Stacy? You want the connection to remain, or you want it removed?

"Doesn't matter, because at my convenience I'll blame FGG for whichever choice they make!"

Given that her personal website still drives traffic to FGG I think we can determine her real preference.

https://archive.fo/t76cp (Towards the bottom)

There must be some money she gets paid for each copy sold.

The next company that decides to hire her (I'm afraid for you Free League) probably goes on my "not going to bother with anymore because they're plain stupid" list because they insist on being the frog that lets the scorpion ride its back.

Wow. I mean, what did she fucking expect?

QuoteMind you, I'd prefer ALL of the material with my name on it be removed from that wretched company.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here, and guess they feel the same.

QuoteBut, just so you know… when it's between hating me and supporting women, FGG prefers to hate me!

Nah. I think they just hate Stacey-Cakes. There's a lot of material to work with.

Giving attention to drama llamas is like blowing air on embers, it keeps them going.

Why are you linking to, quoting and responding to this stuff?

Quick aside: A couple of the Frog God Games guys are in #randomworlds this evening for a Q&A. Come check it out! (See sig line for link.)