Quote from: Ratman_tf;1087549Horseshit. Most men manage to not see women as sex objects. And women are (should be) capable of setting boundaries and enforcing them like adults, and not children that need a big, strong man to protect them from their feelings getting hurt. Viewing men as primarily responsible for sexual harassment because of their gender is the definition of sexism.

Ok so I should've used " most men I know" and "most women I've known". Most men around the planet probably don't see women as someone they might have sex with. Right? Sure.

Any guy can easily set boundaries between "my woman" and "that other woman I don't want to have sex with but could".

LOL

Ratman, you're so full of shit I'm thinking either you are EXPERTLY naive and rarely get laid outside of your GF/wife  OR  you're an SJW holding court. Regardless, you win and I wont debate it because it drifts too far away from rpgs. SJWs like that drift to make their points. I don't need to make a point.

Let me be wrong. And?

SJG & FGG are going to make a lot of money working together and the SJWs can't stop it.

Quote from: Myrdin Potter;1087440You want to make the con appealing to a wide group of people and providing a fun environment where people can game is important.

That's called cons since the origins of cons. Cons are held in a public place. Any con is as "safe" as any other public place.

But that's not what you're advocating. You want cons to be a SJW safe space with ever-expanding bullshit definitions of "harassment". Fuck that shit.

Actual women can navigate public places just fine, and do so all their lives.

Quote from: Theory of Games;1087543BUT, we're willing to say "F U" to the mirror and embrace woman as NOT sex objects.

Have fun degrading yourself in the mirror.

"FU" is for other's peoples faces, not my mirror.  

Quote from: Theory of Games;1087543Sounds crazy, but we could try --- "we" being the men who have the problem of being snatch-dependent perverts. All men are not like this, but MANY are.

Oddly enough, the "snatch dependent perverts" of the hobby are the laughable "male feminists".

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1087552I have known lots of women with an utter lack of social skills and an unwillingness to learn them. So yes, your statement there is quite true, as far as it goes.

You are right, it applies to both genders. Men may be a majority demographic in gaming, but they have not cornered the market on being socially retarded.

Quote from: jeff37923;1087551Their gender? No. Their utter lack of social skills and unwillingness to learn them? Yes.

You know who has an utter lack of social skills?

Everyone at some stage.

I read a study about how men tend to solve their social problems physically and actually end up being better friends after fighting each other.

In comparison women tend to solve their social problems verbally and actually tend to lose friends permanently.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1087540By that criteria, I have been sexually harassed by many women in my lifetime.

I know, it is such a tough world.

Quote from: Myrdin Potter;1087464I have always assumed that women at a gaming convention are there to game and that is it.

I've always assumed women at a laundromat are there to wash clothes, women at a grocery store are there to buy food, and women at a bar are there to drink with their friends. And yet, I still asked them out and still got dates and girlfriends.

You're a fucking moron if you think girls are going to social events and are completely ignorant that they might be asked out by dudes.

Quote from: Shasarak;1087558You know who has an utter lack of social skills?

Everyone at some stage.

Yes, but there is a tendency for gamers to be more accepting of social retards due to Geek Social Fallacies and not put them in check or cause them to change their ways.

Quote from: jeff37923;1087563Yes, but there is a tendency for gamers to be more accepting of social retards due to Geek Social Fallacies and not put them in check or cause them to change their ways.

If you find that you are being rejected by every girl then it is not a problem with the girls.

And also I game to play DnD, I dont game to teach you how to pick up girls.  Who came up with the theory that I have to be responsible for every dumb ass that games?

Quote from: Shasarak;1087566If you find that you are being rejected by every girl then it is not a problem with the girls.

Thank you, Master Of The Obvious....:rolleyes:

Quote from: Shasarak;1087566And also I game to play DnD, I dont game to teach you how to pick up girls.  Who came up with the theory that I have to be responsible for every dumb ass that games?

Again, no shit. It isn't an individual gamer's responsibility to educate or change a social retard. A gamer, acting as part of gaming group, should try and keep disruptions to that group to a minimum - so if that means booting out a creeper before they drive worthwhile contributing members of the group away, then that should happen.

Once again, being male isn't the source of the problem but being a creeper without social skills is.

(And just between you and me, there are a fuckton of other tabletop RPGs out there besides DnD.)

I am not going to lie, I assume a bit of delayed social development at gamer tables. And I am willing to give some leeway for people to learn from their social mistakes they should have learned through the Lord of the Flies stage of middle and high school (roughly 11 to 18 years of age). But my patience is not infinite -- and I will correct openly as necessary.

Nothing wrong with that. Every social community does the same to newcomers. You come in, get a grace period, get a few smack backs if you threw elbows, and hopefully learn to fit in eventually.

Quote from: Brad;1087562I've always assumed women at a laundromat are there to wash clothes, women at a grocery store are there to buy food, and women at a bar are there to drink with their friends. And yet, I still asked them out and still got dates and girlfriends.

You're a fucking moron if you think girls are going to social events and are completely ignorant that they might be asked out by dudes.

Greetings!

Totally, Brad. I don't understand the men that seem to like to view women as some kind of non-sexual creature, hyper-focused on a task or activity at hand--like men often tend to do. In my experience, that isn't how women operate. They are *hyper* aware of sexual possibilities and opportunities to flirt and get their groove on, whether it is at work, the grocery store, game conventions, the mall, riding on the train, fuck, *everywhere*. They are *always* keeping one eye open for the cute guy to smile at them, the salesman that smells delicious, the bank guy with the gorgeous eyes or smile. Women are open to swooping on a guy everywhere, in any social situation.

Men who think otherwise must be beta cucks, you know?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I am not responsible for the behavior of others.

I do not belittle women by thinking they need my intervention in dealing with stupid people.

I regularly game with women. I dated several of them and am married to one now. They displayed just as much "sexual" behavior at the table as men have.

Unless I see a woman being assaulted in such a way that she would need saving, I will let her handle the situation. Real women, as opposed to the make believe women that are frequently talked about on internet forums, are just as tough as men and are just as capable of telling a loser to get lost as I am.

I accept that women do not need my protection to any greater extent than I need theirs. This philosophy has worked out pretty well for me and all the women in my life.

This is equality. This is fairness. To put women in a protected category is insulting to their ability.

Quote from: Brad;1087562I've always assumed women at a laundromat are there to wash clothes, women at a grocery store are there to buy food, and women at a bar are there to drink with their friends. And yet, I still asked them out and still got dates and girlfriends.

You're a fucking moron if you think girls are going to social events and are completely ignorant that they might be asked out by dudes.

I agree, but that does not mean that the sole reason for attending a social event like a gaming convention is to get nookie.

Quote from: SHARK;1087572Greetings!

Totally, Brad. I don't understand the men that seem to like to view women as some kind of non-sexual creature, hyper-focused on a task or activity at hand--like men often tend to do. In my experience, that isn't how women operate. They are *hyper* aware of sexual possibilities and opportunities to flirt and get their groove on, whether it is at work, the grocery store, game conventions, the mall, riding on the train, fuck, *everywhere*. They are *always* keeping one eye open for the cute guy to smile at them, the salesman that smells delicious, the bank guy with the gorgeous eyes or smile. Women are open to swooping on a guy everywhere, in any social situation.

Men who think otherwise must be beta cucks, you know?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Then I guess I'm a beta cuck.

Look, just because women and men have their eyes open for chances to get nookie, does not mean that they want to always drop everything and do the horizontal bop right then and there, let alone with the likes of you or me. Is sex a driving force in humanity? Yes. Is sex the ONLY driving force in humanity? No. If it was, then we wouldn't get anywhere because we would be too busy trying to get laid.

Do women keep their eyes open for potential partners? Yes. Men do too. Do women spend every waking moment doing nothing but look for opportunities to make the Beast With Two Backs? No. Men don't either.

People attend social events for different reasons at different times in their lives. It ain't all a quest for nookie.

Quote from: Brad;1087562I've always assumed women at a laundromat are there to wash clothes, women at a grocery store are there to buy food, and women at a bar are there to drink with their friends. And yet, I still asked them out and still got dates and girlfriends.

You're a fucking moron if you think girls are going to social events and are completely ignorant that they might be asked out by dudes.

And you are a bigger moron for assuming that some women don't get pissed that a guy creeps on them ("just asking them out") when they are just there to game. And that every guy is suave and deflects easy if there is no apparent interest. As I said before, if they are there to do more than just game, they make it pretty obvious if the right guy is chatting with them.

So many people in this thread are so caught up into the anti-SJW bullshit that they are blind to the average experience. I have known enough socially inept guys and the occasional creep that I can easily imagine that the much lower percentage of women that used to make up gamers ran across plenty.

For some reason unless the woman is raped and then decapitated in front of a crowd, for far too many people here there is no reason to have a simple policy that states harassment is not wanted, how to report it if it happens and the potential consequences. I must be promoting SJW safe spaces if I suggest that. Unreasonable assholes are why you get the BS that caused this thread. People must be deliberately blind. It just takes 1 or 2 creeps out of a 100 decent gamers to cause an issue. I don't want them around if they are going to be creeps (I don't care if they are a creep if they don't act it out).

Quote from: jeff37923;1087577I agree, but that does not mean that the sole reason for attending a social event like a gaming convention is to get nookie.




Then I guess I'm a beta cuck.

Look, just because women and men have their eyes open for chances to get nookie, does not mean that they want to always drop everything and do the horizontal bop right then and there, let alone with the likes of you or me. Is sex a driving force in humanity? Yes. Is sex the ONLY driving force in humanity? No. If it was, then we wouldn't get anywhere because we would be too busy trying to get laid.

Do women keep their eyes open for potential partners? Yes. Men do too. Do women spend every waking moment doing nothing but look for opportunities to make the Beast With Two Backs? No. Men don't either.

People attend social events for different reasons at different times in their lives. It ain't all a quest for nookie.

Greetings!

LOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOL! Ahh, Jeff. Outstanding. My god I was laughing my head off reading that. I love it my friend.

You're not a Beta Cuck, my friend. I agree with you. I just roll my eyes at some people's insistence that women are somehow asexual, you know? I can be a dick I know, what you say is reasonable. You know I sometimes turn the flamethrower on from emotion.

Righteously funny, my friend.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK