Quote from: Lynn;1086765Let me share a bit of hypocrisy though. Last year I attended a party in which many retired tech executives were present. They are all extremely liberal and were also previously residents of Oregon, Washington and California. Guess where they moved once they retired? They were all very proud of the 'blue dot' they live in, in Idaho.

Greetings!

LOL! Yeah, Lynn, I'm afraid to say I have no trouble believing you at all. Sadly, very true, I'm sure.:mad: It's always boggled me why Liberals seem to *love* moving to conservative areas. It's like, you knw, fuckstick, we don't like endless, unchecked immigration. We don't like endless identity politics and BS in our schools, work places, and everywhere. We don't believe in high taxes, big government, and being ant-gun. Lots of folks here are entirely opposite on Liberals with everything. Christianity, traditional gender roles, patriotism, respect for law enforcement, and very, very Christian. Not atheist. Not Muslim. Not diversity. CHRISTIAN. Either like it, or choke on it. Noone here wants anything to change. And yet, they all seem very fucking eager to leave their liberal Happy Rainbow Barney shitholes to come and live in conservative areas. I don't understand why they don't love living in their fucking SJW safe space paradises, you know, my friend?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK;1086767Greetings!

LOL! Yeah, Lynn, I'm afraid to say I have no trouble believing you at all. Sadly, very true, I'm sure.:mad: It's always boggled me why Liberals seem to *love* moving to conservative areas. It's like, you knw, fuckstick, we don't like endless, unchecked immigration. We don't like endless identity politics and BS in our schools, work places, and everywhere. We don't believe in high taxes, big government, and being ant-gun. Lots of folks here are entirely opposite on Liberals with everything. Christianity, traditional gender roles, patriotism, respect for law enforcement, and very, very Christian. Not atheist. Not Muslim. Not diversity. CHRISTIAN. Either like it, or choke on it. Noone here wants anything to change. And yet, they all seem very fucking eager to leave their liberal Happy Rainbow Barney shitholes to come and live in conservative areas. I don't understand why they don't love living in their fucking SJW safe space paradises, you know, my friend?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

It's a free country, brother. People who don't align with theocratic, sexist and/or authoritarian principles you value can buy property next to you and walk and talk in public. You can hate it all you want, but you can't stop it.

Quote from: Lynn;1086765Let me share a bit of hypocrisy though. Last year I attended a party in which many retired tech executives were present. They are all extremely liberal and were also previously residents of Oregon, Washington and California. Guess where they moved once they retired? They were all very proud of the 'blue dot' they live in, in Idaho.

This is true of Dallas now too.

It blows me away about he cognitive dissonance that these transplants come here bitching and griping about CA, but immediately start trying enact the same policies by vote that screwed CA up in the first place.

As an LA transplant myself... I realized once I left LA how fubarred CA really is. The gaming culture out here in Dallas is excellent... once you get passed the usual SJW's that are becoming increasingly common.

Quote from: Larsdangly;1086781It's a free country, brother. People who don't align with theocratic, sexist and/or authoritarian principles you value can buy property next to you and walk and talk in public. You can hate it all you want, but you can't stop it.

It's not free. It costs and too many of those SHARK is lamenting are unwilling to pay the price, be it in service to the country that they're blessed to be in or simply in respecting others. To your points of "theocratic, sexist and/or authoritarian principles", those aren't Conservative principles. If there's a theocratic religion it's Islam. Sexism* is a word that's so misused it's almost nonsense now and Conservatives are far from authoritarian.

*The Left is obsessed with wrongly branding those who disagree with them with "ists and isms".

Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;1086788It's not free. It costs and too many of those SHARK is lamenting are unwilling to pay the price, be it in service to the country that they're blessed to be in or simply in respecting others. To your points of "theocratic, sexist and/or authoritarian principles", those aren't Conservative principles. If there's a theocratic religion it's Islam. Sexism* is a word that's so misused it's almost nonsense now and Conservatives are far from authoritarian.

*The Left is obsessed with wrongly branding those who disagree with them with "ists and isms".

Greetings!

Thank you, Alderaan Crumbs. You understand what I was saying perfectly. Amazing how some people interpret what you mention as "Theocratic, Sexist and Authoritarian." You also get that right, too. It goes a long way towards why liberals and conservatives often don't get along. Many conservatives are Christian, of one flavour or another, and favour traditional gender roles, besides being patriotic, pro-gun, and respectful of law enforcement. Somehow Liberals twist all of that around into their usual ists and isms. Mind boggling, my friend.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;1086788It's not free. It costs and too many of those SHARK is lamenting are unwilling to pay the price, be it in service to the country that they're blessed to be in or simply in respecting others. To your points of "theocratic, sexist and/or authoritarian principles", those aren't Conservative principles. If there's a theocratic religion it's Islam. Sexism* is a word that's so misused it's almost nonsense now and Conservatives are far from authoritarian.

*The Left is obsessed with wrongly branding those who disagree with them with "ists and isms".

I'm just responding to what he said:
"...Christianity..." "...very, very Christian. Not atheist. Not Muslim..." "...CHRISTIAN. Either like it, or choke on it...": No comment necessary.

"...traditional gender roles...": A buzz phrase for sexism.

"...patriotism, respect for law enforcement...": Feel good buzzwords for boot licking authoritarianism.

Of course everyone is free to think whatever they want about all this nonsense. But you don't own Utah or Texas or wherever else you think these ideas run free. You are surrounded by millions of good red blooded americans who think you are full of shit, and they are just as much citizens of your state as you are. The number of atheist lesbians who think it's shitty when cops get away with murder is much bigger than you might guess, and they have just as much right to be in Utah (or wherever else) as you do.

Quote from: Larsdangly;1086781It's a free country, brother.

This is that Alinsky tactic of "Always hold them to their own principles."

... But more importantly those California transplants are using the fruits (and nuts ) of our mix-economy capitalism to speculate away whole states to be in their image. It's like the invisible hand of the free market, or something...

(OK, OK, enough silliness. I'll get back to talking about gaming, at tables, not property values. )

Quote from: SHARK;1086767Lots of folks here are entirely opposite on Liberals with everything. Christianity, traditional gender roles, patriotism, respect for law enforcement, and very, very Christian. Not atheist. Not Muslim. Not diversity. CHRISTIAN. Either like it, or choke on it. Noone here wants anything to change. And yet, they all seem very fucking eager to leave their liberal Happy Rainbow Barney shitholes to come and live in conservative areas. I don't understand why they don't love living in their fucking SJW safe space paradises, you know, my friend?

SHARK, I'm not sure what you mean by "either like it or choke on it". I would say that people should be allowed to live wherever they like, regardless of religion. I am opposed to liberal efforts to use legislation or illegal action to force conservatives out of their areas, and likewise for conservatives forcing out liberals. For the most part, every state is pretty mixed. Here are some stats on California and Idaho, for example.

California - 63% Christian  ,  https://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/state/california/
Idaho - 67% Christian  ,  https://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/state/idaho/

No one's required to be nice to anyone, but there is a minimum level of tolerance that is legally required. (i.e. You can't harass them to drive them away.)

Quote from: tenbones;1086782This is true of Dallas now too. It blows me away about he cognitive dissonance that these transplants come here bitching and griping about CA, but immediately start trying enact the same policies by vote that screwed CA up in the first place. As an LA transplant myself... I realized once I left LA how fubarred CA really is. The gaming culture out here in Dallas is excellent... once you get passed the usual SJW's that are becoming increasingly common.

I haven't seen a lot of Texas, outside of San Antonio and Austin, and then it was during the hottest part of July. It was the first time Id seen a sidewalk hot enough to cook an egg. There were some green areas that were surprisingly nice.

Another OR favorite are the CA folks that bought up properties in the older Black neighborhoods in Portland (which impacted property taxes, driving even more out and causing older black owned businesses to fail), then they complain how 'white' Portland is and the evils of gentrification.

Quote from: SHARK;1086767LOL! Yeah, Lynn, I'm afraid to say I have no trouble believing you at all. Sadly, very true, I'm sure.:mad: It's always boggled me why Liberals seem to *love* moving to conservative areas. It's like, you knw, fuckstick, we don't like endless, unchecked immigration. We don't like endless identity politics and BS in our schools, work places, and everywhere. We don't believe in high taxes, big government, and being ant-gun. Lots of folks here are entirely opposite on Liberals with everything.

I admit I have had a few fantasies lately about moving to Idaho or even Montana. Spokane was looking good but it is concerning to me that Washington will get as bad as Oregon in the next decade or so. I don't want to spend my golden years getting mugged and robbed because of either 'words equal violence' or 'it is unjust to incarcerate.'

Quote from: jhkim;1086819SHARK, I'm not sure what you mean by "either like it or choke on it". I would say that people should be allowed to live wherever they like, regardless of religion. I am opposed to liberal efforts to use legislation or illegal action to force conservatives out of their areas, and likewise for conservatives forcing out liberals. For the most part, every state is pretty mixed. Here are some stats on California and Idaho, for example.

California - 63% Christian  ,  https://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/state/california/
Idaho - 67% Christian  ,  https://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/state/idaho/

No one's required to be nice to anyone, but there is a minimum level of tolerance that is legally required. (i.e. You can't harass them to drive them away.)

Greetings!

Well, Jhkim, that is merely me being emotional. It is pleasant to not live in a militantly anti-Christian environment. It is refreshing to not have hordes of stupid protesters with purple hair and piercings everywhere, screaming about everything. It is good not to have a bunch of "activists" screaming that there's a cross somewhere on a street corner or at  park somewhere, and yes, it's been there for 100 years, but we find it "offensive" and therefore it needs to be torn down. It is refreshing to know that Christians are not the hate-pinata that Liberals make them out to be in many other areas. It is refreshing that none of the Liberal BS is put up with here. It's actually sane, and reasonable here. It is actually very tolerant. No one cares if you aren't Christian, or atheist, or whatever. No one demands you join and be a member of X church. I like that. I also like the fact that being genuinely tolerant--as opposed to the lying Liberal "activists" claim to being tolerant--but whom hate anyone that doesn't agree with them. It's refreshing to be in an environment where the powers that be keep the Liberals in check. No, you aren't going to persecute Christians, ruin schools, tear down crosses, screech about football teams saying a prayer, or school choirs singing Christian and patriotic songs--none of that BS. Just shut the fuck up and mind your own business. It is not an environment that empowers militant atheists and others that are anti-Christian. That's what I mean by choke on it. They don't have power here. It's nice to see Christians and others (Yeah, including non-Christians!) living in peaceful, reasonable, sane and happy communities that are not bonfires of constant outrage, screeching, protest, and anti-Christian bigotry and hatred.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I am not sure why this thread has turned into a discussion on the PNW and Idaho (after visiting Pocatello, I doubt the propaganda here).

Quote from: SHARK;1086767Noone here wants anything to change.

Except for all the young, educated people who leave. There's a reason the average age of people in states like Idaho is rising relentlessly.

Quote from: Lychee of the Exchequer;1085052Man, that was fun. Perhaps someone could market an RPG about SJWs where one plays a psychotic brat intent on infecting the Western patriarchal world with his/her/its/iz/WTF brand of insanity (but WITH SUPERPOWERS ! Because, why the Hell not :-D !)

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1086464They already have Mage: The Ascension.

Nah, Bellum Maga.  I have yet to figure out if that game is serious, a satire, or disinformatsia from Patriarchal stooges.