Quote from: wmarshal;1086138They made the ban permanent based on:

"After review and taking into consideration your off-site conduct, we've decided that you're really not a good fit for this site, and are therefore permabanned."

With no further explanation one can't tell if you really had egregious "off-site conduct" or a moderator just decided they didn't like you.

From what I can find of your history on rpg.net you had about 200 posts since 2012, and very rarely went to Tangency or touched on controversial topics. I suppose you could appeal to the admin of the site. Maybe get an explanation of what off-site conduct made you a bad match. It could be that being a member of this site is becoming a bannable offense if TBP notices you, or maybe it's just talking negatively about TBP off-site has become a bannable offense. Can't really tell with the vague explanation they give for off-site conduct bannings.

It's a purge. Those who have the power to purge will use it at whim, with no rhyme or reason to their actions other than the exercise of their power pour encourager les autres.

Being banned from RPG.net is a badge of honor. The site has no relevance.

Quote from: Rafael;1086119FTR, it appears that my ban there was quietly made permanent, either by people simply forgetting, or as penalty for my audicity to continue to post about the issue here. Pity me?

- Anyway, didn't know about most of this shit before this stuff happened. Now I know. I'm going to be honest, folks: I disagree with a lot of the things said by many here about the general social climate in the Western world. However, I'm not going to forget that the supposedly "tolerant" and "motal" and "socially concerned" community insta-banned me for voicing doubts about the cause for the Great Crusade. And you guys let me talk. - I have no horse in this race, and, being European, honestly, I usually don't particularly care about US politics, or about the American con scene. But I won't forget who acted the correct way, here, and who didn't.

Thanks. Always enjoyed reading this place, even if I only occasionally so. Now, even more.

Greetings!

Rafael, you are always welcome here.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Rafael;1086119FTR, it appears that my ban there was quietly made permanent, either by people simply forgetting, or as penalty for my audicity to continue to post about the issue here. Pity me?

- Anyway, didn't know about most of this shit before this stuff happened. Now I know. I'm going to be honest, folks: I disagree with a lot of the things said by many here about the general social climate in the Western world. However, I'm not going to forget that the supposedly "tolerant" and "motal" and "socially concerned" community insta-banned me for voicing doubts about the cause for the Great Crusade. And you guys let me talk. - I have no horse in this race, and, being European, honestly, I usually don't particularly care about US politics, or about the American con scene. But I won't forget who acted the correct way, here, and who didn't.

Thanks. Always enjoyed reading this place, even if I only occasionally so. Now, even more.

The disagreement is fine here, most often we want to know the basis for the disagreement because that is where conversations happen.

Who knows, maybe some common ground will be found with the person you are passionately arguing with here. It has happened before.

I am wondering if the mods over on the other site have figured out how much they were played. They ride into every thread banning posters and shutting down discussion over what was a reaction at the time to one person's actions that are no where near as bad as was rumored and discussed. I have no issue with to report to the con staff over it, if you feel threatened or harassed, that is the right thing to do and part of the complaint was that no permanent ban (if any ban) was given.

To allow pure unconfirmed rumor and speculation and attacking other companies over it shows just how evil their result was, regardless of any intentions they had. The victim was forced to deliver it over and over despite her clearly saying from day 1 to leave her out of it. And despite obvious consequences and changes by FGG and Webb.

I do hope that the lawsuit against the other three continues, but I have a feeling they will fold now that the rug has been pulled from under them. Stacy is reduced to complaining about Webb's wardrobe. As if they are the industry's fashion police or something.

None of their posturing and complaining has made any con safer and their exaggerations has just added ammunition for that "what if they are lying" arguments. All they have been doing is to show that trying to stop smaller issues at a local issue can and will get blown up which diminishes safety, not increases it.

Quote from: RandyB;1086139pour encourager les autres.

exactement!

Quote from: Motorskills;1085978Well of course. It was never okay to put your arm around someone else, it just wasn't reacted to in the same way. Webb might have known better - probably did know better - alcohol likely played a factor in his actions, not that that excuses anything.

What's that they say about police brutality? It isn't getting worse, it's getting filmed.
Likewise in the MeToo era, it's not that this stuff never happened before, it's that people are no longer staying quiet about it. Sure there's a debate to be had about the calls for boycotts of companies etc, but I for one am okay with individuals getting called out on this stuff.

1: Getting drunk at a con seems to me one of the more idiotic thing one could possibly do at a con that doesn't involve criminal activity. Hate to say it but Webb was practially begging for this to happen even if he wasn't aware his antics were not exactly funny.

2: Problem is that this so called metoo movement did not really change anything other than be nearly instantly weaponized and thoroughly abused to the point no one can believe suc accusations at face value. In a way the movement has backfired and has severely damaged the credibility of such claims by actual people with real problems rather than a bunch of sociopaths who cant distinguish someone looking at them from rape.

x: And this is what bugs me. These "movements" and outcries only serve to make things harder for legitimate issues. Allways believe the accuser? Never. You have to look at the accuser and the situation first and sort out if the accuser is real or another damn fake trying to ruin someone because the accuser is a nut, or just doing it "for fun" or profit. And it isnt just with stuff like this. More and more these things are happening in various formats and increasingly you can not just accept what is said. Moreso because too many people just blindly accept an accusation without checking first.

Quote from: Myrdin Potter;1086162I am wondering if the mods over on the other site have figured out how much they were played.

They are playing themselves. It's blatant unconscious self-parody at this point.

BTW, how does RPG.net actually ban anyone?

Seems to me, sockpuppets and new accounts via VPNs or Incognito windows would be rather easy to create today.

Am I wrong?

Quote from: Rafael;1086119I'm going to be honest, folks: I disagree with a lot of the things said by many here about the general social climate in the Western world.

The only thing we need to agree upon is the mutual freedom to disagree.

Quote from: wmarshal;1086138"After review and taking into consideration your off-site conduct, we've decided that you're really not a good fit for this site, and are therefore permabanned."

OMG! Do these mods have jobs?

Who has the time to check "off site conduct" of posters?

Quote from: Omega;10861711: Getting drunk at a con seems to me one of the more idiotic thing one could possibly do at a con that doesn't involve criminal activity.

Getting drunk in public is how many disasters begin.

I love booze (MAS TEQUILA!!!!), and I used to run a lot of pirate RPGs (Crimson Cutlass!) at the LA cons. The rum flowed for both PCs and players at those late night sessions, but rarely would anyone get sloppy.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1086183BTW, how does RPG.net actually ban anyone?

Seems to me, sockpuppets and new accounts via VPNs or Incognito windows would be rather easy to create today.

Am I wrong?




The only thing we need to agree upon is the mutual freedom to disagree.




OMG! Do these mods have jobs?

Who has the time to check "off site conduct" of posters?




Getting drunk in public is how many disasters begin.

I love booze (MAS TEQUILA!!!!), and I used to run a lot of pirate RPGs (Crimson Cutlass!) at the LA cons. The rum flowed for both PCs and players at those late night sessions, but rarely would anyone get sloppy.

Most people don't resort to vpn to sockpuppet.  
It makes finding them easy.

I don't think they go off-site looking. There's a hoard of folks that do it for them.

So uhh, Hensley registered on their forums, Hensley co-signed the joint statement and Hensley posts on all sorts of social media re: her involvement in the Paizocon incident.

Yet somehow she is "the victim" and must be rendered totally anonymous against her own express wishes and actions?

I still don't believe her that Bill Webb did anything serious. It's why she doesn't get specific.

Quote from: Lurtch;1086238I still don't believe her that Bill Webb did anything serious. It's why she doesn't get specific.

I ask (of course, I can't make you) that we drop the PaizoCon incident as a topic. With the joint statement both Frog God Games and BJ Hensley have decided to move forward past it. I don't see how any good can come from trying to "re-litigate" it. When the SJWs inevitably try to start another boycott crusade if they try to bring this incident up again the sane among us should just point back to the joint statement.

Quote from: Antiquation!;1085616I generally neither post nor browse there, but as a long-time SJG supporter I wanted to watch this particular shitshow.

Was actually hoping they would ban me for decrying the moderation; I can only imagine the reason they didn't ban us was some attempt at conjuring the appearance of impartiality.

I dunno. They banned an awful lot of people who even slightly questioned the notion that SJG and FGG had to be destroyed, on those threads.

Quote from: Shasarak;1085640You do know that you four just made the list, right?

If I was a betting man I would wager that you are all gone in under 4 weeks.

Yeah. You know how much rpg.net hates me? Not only did they refuse to publish reviews of Lion & Dragon that people have submitted but they actually erased RPG reviews for Dark Albion and Arrows of Indra that used to be there!