Quote from: Omega;1085968I think its more a problem of getting drunk at a con now... We now live in a time where there are people either primed for or actively looking for chances to accuse someone of harassment over just about anything. Pre-2010 or so Webbs antics would have been most likely laughed off by the girl. Or her just getting annoyed. Which may be what actually happened? Getting drunk at a con is no longer a safe thing to do. (Was not exactly safe before either.) Sooner, or later, probably sooner, you are going to step on a landmine.

Well of course. It was never okay to put your arm around someone else, it just wasn't reacted to in the same way. Webb might have known better - probably did know better - alcohol likely played a factor in his actions, not that that excuses anything.

What's that they say about police brutality? It isn't getting worse, it's getting filmed.
Likewise in the MeToo era, it's not that this stuff never happened before, it's that people are no longer staying quiet about it. Sure there's a debate to be had about the calls for boycotts of companies etc, but I for one am okay with individuals getting called out on this stuff.

The Purple Brained Bastards at RPGkremlin speak...

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/frog-god-games-has-made-a-statement-on-bill-webb-and-his-harassment-at-paizocon-mod-note-see-redtext-in-op.845447/

And true to form, leap in with daggers drawn and teeth bared. Leading the charge: CrazyCatGirl herself, who doesn't really use RPGnet these days, except when there's a juicy pogrom to be had.

What a poxy bunch of fucking shits. Scum, the fucking lot of them.

BJ Hensley's made her own statement on facebook. Took me all of a minute to find it.

https://www.facebook.com/bj.hensley.1/posts/10156399940262861

The SJW's denying agency to the victim of the incident would almost be funny if their insane zealotry wasn't so scary. They immediately go into either assuming Hensley was forced into the statement or accuse her for selling out. They are being denied a crusade to give their lives greater meaning. It'll be interesting to see how many double down, and how many pause to take examine how they were getting manipulated by Stacy, Chris and Jessica.

Quote from: BrokenCounsel;1085983The Purple Brained Bastards at RPGkremlin speak...

How hilariously predictable.

Edit: I think it's fucking hilarious that Phil Reed's TBP "custom title" is "Unwanted Commentator."

Quote from: Motorskills;1085978Well of course. It was never okay to put your arm around someone else, it just wasn't reacted to in the same way.

Like in general or what..?

Also looked at that RPG.net thread...why does this remind me of the Mueller report? Surely she HAS to have been coerced into making this statement even though it's been repeated many times she was 100% complicit.

Kudos to Terrible Tony (post #19) for actually doing something sensible. I hope others follow suit.

Or is he gonna get crapped on by the Stalinist Self-Righteously-Offended Squad and then banned by the Moderator Stalinist Execution Team?

Quote from: BrokenCounsel;1086001Kudos to Terrible Tony (post #19) for actually doing something sensible. I hope others follow suit.

Or is he gonna get crapped on by the Stalinist Self-Righteously-Offended Squad and then banned by the Moderator Stalinist Execution Team?

I think he doomed that thread to being closed. The direction the thread was headed in wouldn't suit them. Hensley asked that the matter be closed back in 2017, and if Stacy, Chris, Jessica and PST had honored that request this train wreck of the outrage mob could have been avoided altogether. I don't think they're honoring Hensley's request out of respect for her wishes, but because they wound up in a losing position.

With the threads on TBP being closed, and the 3rd parties that were attacking SJG laying low should we consider keeping clear of the PaizoCon incident as much as possible? With the joint statement it seems a moot point. I'm sure Stacy and gang will give us more to talk about before long, but the specific incident at PaizoCon seems to be a "dead horse" practically speaking.

QuoteI think he doomed that thread to being closed. The direction the thread was headed in wouldn't suit them. Hensley asked that the matter be closed back in 2017, and if Stacy, Chris, Jessica and PST had honored that request this train wreck of the outrage mob could have been avoided altogether. I don't think they're honoring Hensley's request out of respect for her wishes, but because they wound up in a losing position.

Right on the money there.

QuoteWith the threads on TBP being closed, and the 3rd parties that were attacking SJG laying low should we consider keeping clear of the PaizoCon incident as much as possible. With the joint statement it seems a moot point. I'm sure Stacy and gang will give us more to talk about before long, but the specific incident at PaizoCon seems to be a "dead horse" practically speaking.

Agree with you 100%. They'll already be on the hunt for their next unsuspecting victim.

Well, it was entertaining while it lasted. I'm fairly certain we haven't seen the last of Triple Trouble with regards to FGG, but for the time being at least it's now less a bonfire and more a handful of sputtering embers.

QuoteBJ Hensley's made her own statement on facebook. Took me all of a minute to find it.

https://www.facebook.com/bj.hensley.1/posts/10156399940262861

Edit: On the off chance that BJ reads here we should probably let it lie now too, at least unless and until the terrible trio actually do get sued. And focus on their behaviour, not what happened at Paizocon 2 years ago.

It's a very dignified statement imo and confirms my high opinion of her. I don't think it's excessive white knighting to say she never asked for this, she has been badly treated by people on both sides (but especially her supposed friends, the SJWs) and I hope she gets some peace and quiet.

It may be a vain hope, but I hope this prompts the SJW trio to go crawl under a rock and stop trying to use her.

Quote from: S'mon;1086018Edit: On the off chance that BJ reads here we should probably let it lie now too, at least unless and until the terrible trio actually do get sued.
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It's a very dignified statement imo and confirms my high opinion of her. I don't think it's excessive white knighting to say she never asked for this, she has been badly treated by people on both sides (but especially her supposed friends, the SJWs) and I hope she gets some peace and quiet.

It may be a vain hope, but I hope this prompts the SJW trio to go crawl under a rock and stop trying to use her.

I'm very much in agreement with all of this.

I don't know anything about the drama, nor do I care, but her statement was interesting. Basically: we need rules and guidelines for behaviour. When people make up their own rules, whether it be, "just grab them by the pussy haw haw" or "OMG you don't victim right!" then people get hurt and much drama ensues.

Quote from: Motorskills;1085978What's that they say about police brutality? It isn't getting worse, it's getting filmed.

And its been GREAT for proving the innocence of cops!

And for showing the behavior of worthless scum our law enforcement officers have to deal with on a daily basis.

FTR, it appears that my ban there was quietly made permanent, either by people simply forgetting, or as penalty for my audicity to continue to post about the issue here. Pity me?

- Anyway, didn't know about most of this shit before this stuff happened. Now I know. I'm going to be honest, folks: I disagree with a lot of the things said by many here about the general social climate in the Western world. However, I'm not going to forget that the supposedly "tolerant" and "motal" and "socially concerned" community insta-banned me for voicing doubts about the cause for the Great Crusade. And you guys let me talk. - I have no horse in this race, and, being European, honestly, I usually don't particularly care about US politics, or about the American con scene. But I won't forget who acted the correct way, here, and who didn't.

Thanks. Always enjoyed reading this place, even if I only occasionally so. Now, even more.

Quote from: Rafael;1086119FTR, it appears that my ban there was quietly made permanent, either by people simply forgetting, or as penalty for my audicity to continue to post about the issue here. Pity me?

- Anyway, didn't know about most of this shit before this stuff happened. Now I know. I'm going to be honest, folks: I disagree with a lot of the things said by many here about the general social climate in the Western world. However, I'm not going to forget that the supposedly "tolerant" and "motal" and "socially concerned" community insta-banned me for voicing doubts about the cause for the Great Crusade. And you guys let me talk. - I have no horse in this race, and, being European, honestly, I usually don't particularly care about US politics, or about the American con scene. But I won't forget who acted the correct way, here, and who didn't.

Thanks. Always enjoyed reading this place, even if I only occasionally so. Now, even more.

They made the ban permanent based on:

"After review and taking into consideration your off-site conduct, we've decided that you're really not a good fit for this site, and are therefore permabanned."

With no further explanation one can't tell if you really had egregious "off-site conduct" or a moderator just decided they didn't like you.

From what I can find of your history on rpg.net you had about 200 posts since 2012, and very rarely went to Tangency or touched on controversial topics. I suppose you could appeal to the admin of the site. Maybe get an explanation of what off-site conduct made you a bad match. It could be that being a member of this site is becoming a bannable offense if TBP notices you, or maybe it's just talking negatively about TBP off-site has become a bannable offense. Can't really tell with the vague explanation they give for off-site conduct bannings.