Quote from: shoplifter;1085771This will still not satisfy the mob.

I would be surprised if it doesn't incite them. "Paying 1k is just lip service, they're trying to sweep this under the rug! Just because they say she did nothing wrong means nothing because Bill Webb hasn't stepped down yet so they're still victim-shaming! Worse, they're making excuses about it and saying some of the alleged victims may have EXAGGERATED the facts wtf??? Grab your firebombs, boys (he/him) and girls (she/her)!"

I may have actually made the understatement of the week

It boggles my mind that both parties have come out with a joint statement asking for everyone to cool their jets, and we're seriously considering that it's going to further incense unrelated and uninvolved parties.  Because that might (probably?) actually happen.  I just... I got nothing.

Yep. It's a mad, mad world out there.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1085757Actually, it wouldn't matter if he were drunk or not. All that matters is if her is an imminent physical threat.

Of course, but that is not the claim.

Quote from: Motorskills;1085766We've had people on this forum confirm that Webb is (was) a habitual drunk at conventions and was "high-strung". His decision-making abilities seem flawed at best*. And AFAIK, Webb isn't denying that he was drunk, that put his arms around a colleague and called her 'sweetie', which is unprofessional at best (especially to a subordinate / contractor).

*Edit: which is why using some low level of force to remove him from the situation could be justified, for the safety of others. IANAL / IANALEO.

There are also claims that he is able to DM and interact just fine at this supposed level of being drunk. No one will deny that he does drink (FGG also made a really untimed comment on that), but Webb did not say he was drunk or try and use it as an excuse. Many people drink at conventions, but the accusation is that he is a drunk. Since many other so called facts that were mentioned are not confirmed by Webb's account, I hold it quite possible that he was not drunk at the time of the incident and that discussion is just people with bad motives trying to smear Webb.

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This will still not satisfy the mob.

Nope. It's a sign of weakness. They'll press harder now.

I think Stacy is having some tears regarding that joint statement.

https://mobile.twitter.com/StacyRex/status/1124010040313229314

Bill Webb may or may not be an ass, but BJ decided for herself that she did not want the incident put on blast. Stacy and Chris couldn't let the opportunity to white knight for BJ pass, and now they find themselves in a jam of their own making.

Quote from: Motorskills;1085766We've had people on this forum confirm that Webb is (was) a habitual drunk at conventions and was "high-strung". His decision-making abilities seem flawed at best*. And AFAIK, Webb isn't denying that he was drunk, that put his arms around a colleague and called her 'sweetie', which is unprofessional at best (especially to a subordinate / contractor).

*Edit: which is why using some low level of force to remove him from the situation could be justified, for the safety of others. IANAL / IANALEO.

Yeah, he drinks a lot. The only flawed decision he made is assuming SJWs can be interacted with normally.

Quote from: Chunkthulhu;1085765The more I read stuff like this... the more I am concerned for our society-at-large.

I wouldn't be. These nutbags represent something like 1% of 1% of society in general. They just happen go be noisy as fuck on the internet. Probably because they have nothing better to do all day, any given day.

My biggest concern is for younger folks who for some reason think it's cool to be seen as part of this fringe extremist corner of our culture. And my only hope for them is that this is some kind of fad that will have its day and fade into obscurity, where it belongs.

Oh, and I doubt that bitch could code her way out of a paper bag, much less write an AI.

Perhaps this will be their thing they look back on, like older generations do for photos of themselves from the 80s, and go, "Holy shit, what was I thinking?"

Good to see FGG and B.J. Hensley have reached an understanding, and can treat this the way sane grownups should treat it: as a misstep, and not a life- and career-ruining crime. Not that it will put the snakes to rest, but hey. Sane grownups.

Now then,

Quote from: Antiquation!;1085758Oh lord.

https://transfelinism.wordpress.com/2019/05/02/sincerely-with-love-steve-jackson-doesnt-care-about-victims-of-sexual-harassment/

"Disgruntled Catgirl" is as far as you have to read to make an educated guess about the poster's mental health, and the avatar/word salad combo is not helping.

This is followed by the inevitable question: why should anyone take people with severe identity disorders seriously?

Quote from: Melan;1085797This is followed by the inevitable question: why should anyone take people with severe identity disorders seriously?

We shouldn't. I mean, we should treat identity disorders seriously as a subject matter, but the second you start taking what they say at face value and feeding into the inclinations and delusions of those individuals and pandering to them you really only contribute to exacerbating and effectively legitimizing their condition(s), with a greater risk of pushing to normalize such conditions and behaviors and increasingly attaching a stigma to people who oppose supporting and perpetuating such disorders.

This sort of feeds into a greater topic of mental health (which interests me greatly, as my fianceé's sister has been institutionalized for severe delusions/paranoia/mania multiple times, she's currently been there over two months), but I don't want to run the thread off-topic.

In any case, yes, anyone with an avatar + name combo like that is a HUGE red flag. As are a good deal of the username tags you would see over at TBP (Social Justice Barbarian, "(he/him)" etc.).

Quote from: PUBLISHED BY DISGRUNTLED CATGIRLI'm Asian, trans, and pansexual. I'm also an Anarchist, Atheist, and Transhumanist. I code AIs by day, write games by night, and fight social injustice the rest of the time.

Holy fuck, it's the Royal Flush of Lunacy Poker.....

Quote from: jeff37923;1085811Holy fuck, it's the Royal Flush of Lunacy Poker.....

LOL! Well put.