Quote from: Snowman0147;1084672Don't know, but could had done by pm.  I should had asked about that in pm now that I am thinking on it.

Yeah, should have tought of that, I'm turning into a boomer.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1084673Yeah, should have tought of that, I'm turning into a boomer.

I think we both are turning into boomers.

For those not following both threads related to Bill Webb at the moment, I'm also posting this here. He has come out with an official statement related to the incidents in question.

https://froggodgames.com/frogs/statement-by-bill-webb/?fbclid=IwAR2SnzK2mmpX5HgZnm8r3vVik-Azjh47kw6NBE3BLOGTgrK9pk-3TO393X4

Quote from: Antiquation!;1084676For those not following both threads related to Bill Webb at the moment, I'm also posting this here. He has come out with an official statement related to the incidents in question.

https://froggodgames.com/frogs/statement-by-bill-webb/?fbclid=IwAR2SnzK2mmpX5HgZnm8r3vVik-Azjh47kw6NBE3BLOGTgrK9pk-3TO393X4

Apologizing didn't help Vic Mignogna not one single bit, I don't know why Bill Webb thinks this will help him.  If he starts off on the "I was wrong" foot, he is handing his opponents 30% of the points.  He's conceding the first quarter of the game, and it's not entirely obvious if he can make up the points.  If Ty Beard is representing him I sincerely, sincerely hope he OK'd this before Bill put it up.

Quote from: Antiquation!;1084676For those not following both threads related to Bill Webb at the moment, I'm also posting this here. He has come out with an official statement related to the incidents in question.

https://froggodgames.com/frogs/statement-by-bill-webb/?fbclid=IwAR2SnzK2mmpX5HgZnm8r3vVik-Azjh47kw6NBE3BLOGTgrK9pk-3TO393X4

Poor sap, does he think the hyenas are going to read that and go away? Doesn't he know to them even speaking to a woman without her consent is the same as sexual assault? (Grabs a humongous pop corn bag and prepares for the category 5 shitstorm about to ensue.)

Quote from: thedungeondelver;1084677Apologizing didn't help Vic Mignogna not one single bit, I don't know why Bill Webb thinks this will help him.  If he starts off on the "I was wrong" foot, he is handing his opponents 30% of the points.  He's conceding the first quarter of the game, and it's not entirely obvious if he can make up the points.  If Ty Beard is representing him I sincerely, sincerely hope he OK'd this before Bill put it up.

On the one hand, yes. Apologizing is taken as admission of guilt, and encourages further harassment.
On the other had, his statement also contradicts all the other claims, about spiking drinks, raping busses full of nuns, whateverthefuck is floating around out there on the outrage train.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;1084677Apologizing didn't help Vic Mignogna not one single bit, I don't know why Bill Webb thinks this will help him.  If he starts off on the "I was wrong" foot, he is handing his opponents 30% of the points.  He's conceding the first quarter of the game, and it's not entirely obvious if he can make up the points.  If Ty Beard is representing him I sincerely, sincerely hope he OK'd this before Bill put it up.

Apologizing is an admission of guilt and the hyenas take it as sharks do blood in the water, now the attacks will accelerate and grow in intensity, I fully expect them to target his family too.

[Edit - the more subjective the situation, the more] Judges tend to mentally dismiss people who insist the matter before them is entirely the other person's fault.

Yes, I suspect this will incite more outrage from the idiots shortly. I'm still very curious to know what's going on behind the scenes with all of this.

I really hope Ty Beard is able to speak on this.  It's in his wheelhouse in so many ways.  Back when it first dropped he seemed to think it was more of a slam-dunk case than even the issue with Vic Mignogna.

If Webb hired a lawyer, then whatever statement he is making now is on the advice of the lawyer. So I would not worry about it. His company made a statement shortly after the incident that confirmed that something happened.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1084668Sure do, isn't posting it against the rules?

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjC7-w5KDKNiD-k0tVo1DPw?view_as=subscriber

You could just have your channel link in your sig. The rule AFAIK is that you can't post just to shill.

Quote from: S'mon;1084690You could just have your channel link in your sig. The rule AFAIK is that you can't post just to shill.

Thanks, wasn't shilling tho, just put the link by request, but that's a good idea.

https://www.ces.tech/Navigation/Utility/Code-of-Conduct.aspx

Large professionally run trade events (conventions) have a policy. It is a good practice and gives warning in advance of the consequences of undesired behaviors.

Despite the straw man arguments up above in the thread, believing the accuser means treating their accusation seriously as if is true until facts say otherwise. That means that if a reasonable person could believe it to be true, at a con you remove the accused from the con. At a workplace, you remove them from the workplace (often on paid leave).

There is no legal standard of innocent unless proven guilty needed. You can be fired without a trial based on an accusation. You have recourse to the courts, but if a company was reasonable in their actions and had a clear policy in place, there is little chance of victory.

This is accepted widely in the convention and trade show industry and is the common and lawyer approved HR practice at most large companies. I see little merit in arguing that further, there should be a clear policy as it protects everyone, including the convention itself. The vast majority of convention attendees behave themselves appropriately and the policy is moot for them.

What is not covered by such policies as it is outside the convention is the use of libel and slander to attack and harass others. I believe that this is the case for Bill Webb. I believe that some people took and incident and distorted and amplified it for their own  purposes. Twitter and forum posts are not a convention committee who have access to the actual people close to the time of the event.

Actions on twitter and forum posts often far cross the line past advocating to bullying. TBP is a place where I think that there is too much of this bullying and suppression of reasonable discussion. I believe that there has been repeated use of claims in this case that the people know not to be true and that those claims are used to target the individual and the business improperly.

Quote from: Myrdin Potter;1084692Large professionally run trade events (conventions) have a policy. It is a good practice and gives warning in advance of the consequences of undesired behaviors.

The problem is that most of the fandom conventions I have been to are run by fans, who can be considered enthusiastic amateurs with all that entails when compared to a professionally run trade event.

There may be a policy in place, but the problem I've often seen is that policy being implemented.