Quote from: S'mon;1084445Calling a woman a woman is not bigotry. It's a statement of fact. Trans ideology requiring mandated pronouns is an attack on reality that goes beyond previous Progressive causes. It's very like requiring people to say that the Sun goes round the Earth.

Greetings!

Exactly, my friend.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: thedungeondelver;1084444I'd say that's nearly impossible but I've heard rumors that Anime News Network could be looking down the barrel of a lawsuit with the Mignogna case, too, so hope springs eternal.

Greetings!

Hope Springs eternal indeed! I imagine Jessica Price and Stacy D and Chris Helton will all be so shocked that they actually have to stand before a judge and answer for the things they have said.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Haffrung;1084375Wait, are we talking about the loons on RPGnet or Spinachcat? Because it's also not a moral necessity when confronted with one strain of batshit lunacy to embrace another strain of batshit lunacy. People who freak out at the very notion of someone making a pass at a woman are handwringing zealots. And people who think the only reason women go to bars is to get "pawed at by hot guys" are pathetic misogynists and probably incels to boot. The one isn't necessary to combat the other. Both are fucking obnoxious, and recognized as obnoxious by anyone who is honest and has a brain. Excusing the obnoxious idiots on your 'side' is why the Culture Warz or so toxic.

What the literal fuck are you talking about?  Have no idea, honestly.

Quote from: SavageSchemer;1084450First, it's so very unsettling to see how much fame Jessica Price has amassed for herself following her ArenaNet shenanigans in particular. I didn't know who this Stacy person was coming into this thread, but JP...sadly yes.

Second, I haven't actually heard of something being filed in an actual court. Just some innuendo about it "coming". But most lawyers I know are very tight lipped about this kind of thing. Has there actually been some kind of legal action or is this all just a bunch of huffing and puffing? I did watch the youtube vid, but that didn't strike me as very reliable as a source.

Well, at the risk of "Somebody said something on the internet" quoting, Ty Beard has stated he's going to have at least one of them up in front of a judge.  It is definitely not in the best interest of an attorney, representing FGG (ostensibly) to publicly lie about a filing.  All jokes about lawyers and lying aside, he made a public statement of it.  And he told one of the people hounding Vic Mignogna "We will be in touch." and lo and behold a couple weeks later, he was (papers have been filed).  So something bad has happened, or something bad is about to happen.

As far as Price goes, my first blush with her was hearing about things between her and Paizo.  Then her dust up with Frank Mentzer.  Then her dust up with ArenaNet.  Now she's inserted herself into something that initially BJ Hensley said didn't happen at all.

So she's been at this a good while.

Quote from: SHARK;1084455Inventing new words, and inventing new ways for someone, anyone, everywhere to always somehow be offended.

Amen! Now let's apply that and stop using the term SJW to refer to these activist leftists, since that term was taking an existing term and inventing a new way to use it so that we would always have something to be offended about.

Also, Happy Barneyland is probably a relatively new way to express one's own offense and outrage and make oneself somehow offended.

(I'm not saying you're wrong. In fact, I quite agree with most of your points. I'm just less, you know... offended by it and saying we should all take a heavy dose of the medicine in the quoted line. Especially with the realization that someone was profiting off of my being outraged. And right now, this train of thought seems to be going away from things we could be less offensive about: gaming.)

Social justice isn't even justice at all.  It is bigotry disguised as justice to mock the very real concept of justice.

Quote from: jhkim;1084439It sounds like what you're seeking is special rights for bigots to be able to say whatever they like and not get fired.

Not really, it sounds like you are trying to insinuate that SHARK is guilty of WrongThink in your view and that justifies you claiming that he is a bigot. Where I come from, we call that "smearing" or "character assassination".

Quote from: Tanin Wulf;1084466Amen! Now let's apply that and stop using the term SJW to refer to these activist leftists

I agree, Social Justice Terrorists seems to be a much better fit.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;1084316Nick Reikeita just dropped the news:

Beard, Harris, Bullock & Hughes of Texas are suing B.J. Hensley, Stacey Dellaforino, Jessica Price and Christopher Helton on behalf of Frog God Games.

Nick delivered a message on behalf of BHB&H:  "We will be in touch."

This should be interesting. One of the partners of BHB&H is a United States Senator.  Ty Beard, the founder of BHB&H, has taken a personal interest in this, and he specializes in libel and slander lawsuits, ...ooops.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;1084444I'd say that's nearly impossible but I've heard rumors that Anime News Network could be looking down the barrel of a lawsuit with the Mignogna case, too, so hope springs eternal.

The moderators there are making statements that Bill Webb is a well documented sexual harasser. They are participating in the discussion. Usually a site is somewhat safe from content posted in their forums, but in this case I have to wonder.

Quote from: GameDaddy;1084477This should be interesting. One of the partners of BHB&H is a United States Senator.  Ty Beard, the founder of BHB&H, has taken a personal interest in this, and he specializes in libel and slander lawsuits, ...ooops.

Gonna be a hot time in the old town tonight!

Shots Fired!

Quote from: Myrdin Potter;1084017He also was not disinvited as a special guest/guest of honor, he backed out himself rather than cause more issues for the con organizers.

Which really pissed them off, because it's hard to call someone toxic when they're being anything but.

Quote from: Alexander Kalinowski;1084156So, my contention remains why we're litigating this case here at all.

It never hurts to collect and correlate facts.

Quote from: Myrdin Potter;1084169No one needs to prove anything to me in particular. I depend on con organizers to make decisions and the right start if there is an accusation is to remove the accused from the site of the accusation is even reasonable. I had to investigate workplace fraud years ago earlier in my career and worked in the same team that investigated sexual harassment claims (that was HR, I am in Finance). I quickly went from assuming everyone was innocent to suspend them and investigate with an almost certain chance that the accusation is true enough that you don't want the accused working at your company anymore.

And you know what? I'd be OK with that if there were reparations for being falsely or unfairly accused in these situations. Without that a life can be ruined on an accusation. which is not a thing I'm willing to tolerate.

Quote from: Dan Davenport;1084184The Tangency cesspool finally overflowed and filled up the rest of the site.

#ContainmentBreach

Quote from: David Johansen;1084199I've got mixed feelings about Tangency.  I learned a lot there, about logic, and debating, and people.

It was great back in the day, but everything changed when the fire nation attacked...

Quote from: thedungeondelver;1084316Nick Reikeita just dropped the news:

Beard, Harris, Bullock & Hughes of Texas are suing B.J. Hensley, Stacey Dellaforino, Jessica Price and Christopher Helton on behalf of Frog God Games.

Steve Jackson games are 100% behind FGG.

Nick delivered a message on behalf of BHB&H:  "We will be in touch."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvqJ1mTkEuY

Interesting.

Quote from: S'mon;1084331my understanding is that libel is a tough sell in the USA, unlike here in UK

That's why they're going with Tortious Interference.

Quote from: S'mon;1084331Suing Hensley (the person Webb apparently hit on at Paizocon) seems very odd, given that she seems to have behaved decently the whole time, and this is likely to cost a lot of public sympathy.

Maybe, but her statements are so inconsistent yet fundamental to the case there isn't really any other choice. She's also allied with and endorsed those trying to take Bill down.

Quote from: Antiquation!;1084381TBP put up a thread about the potential lawsuit.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/frog-god-games-threatens-to-sue-bill-webbs-victim-and-others-read-redtext-in-post-13-before-replying-suit-not-yet-actually-filed.844987/

Shame you have to have an account to see it.

Quote from: jhkim;1084384Nick Rekieta is claiming that this cigarette story what happened in his video, but I haven't seen that from any of the previous descriptions of the incident.

Quote from: jhkim;1084384Has anyone seen this cigarette story from anywhere other than Rekieta's video? What is his source for that?

Quote from: jhkim;1084404The Youtuber Rekieta is actually pretty specific about some details of offering a cigarette with room key and id with them. The strange thing is that I've never heard that story previously for this incident, and it doesn't match any previous statement from either side of what happened. I'm curious where he got that.

The source is Bill Webb, and the reason you haven't heard it before is because he hasn't said anything in his defense until now.

Quote from: wmarshal;1084412If this is truly over an offer of a cigarette I have to wonder why FGG admitted bad behavior to anything.

Quote from: Lurtch;1084414I bet they they thought admitting guilt and promising to do better would make it go away. Unfortunately, that isn't something that works with SJWs.

This.

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One popular story is that in the supposed incident at Paizo Con, Bill Webb assaulted someone. Above is what actually happened. Someone took it upon themselves to grab him and hurt themselves.

Makes you wonder how much more exaggeration there is around this?

Do you have archives or direct links to these #Tweets? Because the images are small, cannot be found on Google, and cannot be archived from here because they're attachments.

Quote from: jeff37923;1084474I agree, Social Justice Terrorists seems to be a much better fit.

Technically, more accurate, as well.

https://twitter.com/amazonchique/status/1119247088582189056?s=21

Posted this before but did not post for some reason.

Quote from: Myrdin Potter;1084482The moderators there are making statements that Bill Webb is a well documented sexual harasser. They are participating in the discussion. Usually a site is somewhat safe from content posted in their forums, but in this case I have to wonder.

Safe harbor provisions usually only apply when you're not an active curator of the content. I'm not an expert on what all the ins and outs are there, but I think there might be a strong argument to make that TBP does not fall under safe harbor. Maybe.