The Woke morons are going after Steve Jackson Games

Armchair Gamer · April 24, 2019, 01:30:27 PM

Quote from: Myrdin Potter;1084397The guy doing the YouTube video seemed pretty vague on the facts, so I would not consider him to be a very good source of new facts. I don't post on the other site so I cannot read their new thread, but thinking this is just a nuisance lawsuit is not the best approach as I did some searching and the lawyer that was hired has won an actual judgment in the past. I would be careful about what I said.

The outcome is pretty clear - their allegations are true and provable and the lawsuits die and it invigorates them or they are not true and the court then will determine if they are damaging (slander/libel). Without being part of the process and seeing the testimony, nothing else to do but wait and be more cautious about comments.

This is probably the wisest course for all of us, no matter how frustrating some of the participants can be. (I have to remind myself that just because folks like Stacy are leading the charge, it doesn't necessarily mean that there's nothing to it.)

Of course, the truly wise course might just be to walk away from the industry and the 'online community' altogether and custom-build, play and run our own games.

Ratman_tf · April 24, 2019, 01:39:49 PM

Quote from: thedungeondelver;1084393It's right here, starts at 54 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMThCmRezFw&feature=youtu.be&t=3440

Thankyew.

Xisiqomelir · April 24, 2019, 01:44:36 PM

Oh it's Webb as plaintiff. Still glad we are establishing libel law's supremacy over TWITTER JUSTICE, but I was hoping it would be Steve Jackson so there'd be gas in the tank to fund things. Litigation can get expensive, which is why Nick's $140k GFM for the Mignogna suit has been so important.

EDIT: On the adjunct discussion, if she tells you to stop, please be the gentleman you were raised to be and stop. If she (hopefully) digs it, you two might do as innumerable couples have done before you and forge a successful relationship from a chance meeting at the bar.

jhkim · April 24, 2019, 02:21:14 PM

Quote from: Myrdin Potter;1084397The guy doing the YouTube video seemed pretty vague on the facts, so I would not consider him to be a very good source of new facts.

The Youtuber Rekieta is actually pretty specific about some details of offering a cigarette with room key and id with them. The strange thing is that I've never heard that story previously for this incident, and it doesn't match any previous statement from either side of what happened. I'm curious where he got that. The only other source I see for information is an RPGnet thread, which cites a tweet from lawyer Ty Beard that implies that the lawsuit exists, but has no other concrete information yet.

HappyDaze · April 24, 2019, 02:32:22 PM

Quote from: Xisiqomelir;1084402If she (hopefully) digs it, you two might do as innumerable couples have done before you and forge a successful relationship from a chance meeting at the bar.

And then you get another 2-4 people to join you in plundering dungeons!

Lychee of the Exchequer · April 24, 2019, 02:43:36 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze;1084405And then you get another 2-4 people to join you in plundering dungeons!

So that's how you call it ? You dirty, dirty mind ;-) !

wmarshal · April 24, 2019, 02:44:38 PM

Quote from: jhkim;1084404The Youtuber Rekieta is actually pretty specific about some details of offering a cigarette with room key and id with them. The strange thing is that I've never heard that story previously for this incident, and it doesn't match any previous statement from either side of what happened. I'm curious where he got that. The only other source I see for information is an RPGnet thread, which cites a tweet from lawyer Ty Beard that implies that the lawsuit exists, but has no other concrete information yet.

If this is all about someone misinterpreting an offer of a cigarette I will owe some people an apology. I've been hard on Bill Webb and some of his defenders based on Frog God's statement after the event acknowledging Bill had done something wrong. Unfortunately, it'll likely be some months before this sorts it's way through a court. If this is truly over an offer of a cigarette I have to wonder why FGG admitted bad behavior to anything.

Lychee of the Exchequer · April 24, 2019, 02:49:09 PM

Quote from: wmarshal;1084412If this is truly over an offer of a cigarette I have to wonder why FGG admitted bad behavior to anything.

[*in his best Galaxy Quest voice impersonation*]
Never give up ! Never surrender !

Lurtch · April 24, 2019, 02:52:22 PM

Quote from: wmarshal;1084412If this is all about someone misinterpreting an offer of a cigarette I will owe some people an apology. I've been hard on Bill Webb and some of his defenders based on Frog God's statement after the event acknowledging Bill had done something wrong. Unfortunately, it'll likely be some months before this sorts it's way through a court. If this is truly over an offer of a cigarette I have to wonder why FGG admitted bad behavior to anything.

If true, I bet they they thought admitting guilt and promising to do better would make it go away. Unfortunately, that isn't something that works with SJWs.

Chocolate Sauce · April 24, 2019, 02:55:23 PM

Just watched the Rekieta stream about this and my jaw dropped open when he announced it in the middle of the comicsgate talk with TUG. Didn't realize this was going on, but after thinking about it a second or two, realized I shouldn't be surprised....

Hope they've gotten some lawyers ready.

jhkim · April 24, 2019, 03:51:07 PM

Quote from: wmarshal;1084412If this is all about someone misinterpreting an offer of a cigarette I will owe some people an apology. I've been hard on Bill Webb and some of his defenders based on Frog God's statement after the event acknowledging Bill had done something wrong. Unfortunately, it'll likely be some months before this sorts it's way through a court. If this is truly over an offer of a cigarette I have to wonder why FGG admitted bad behavior to anything.

It's a question that I've seen more often come up with women's charges of harassment. i.e. "If he really harassed you, why were you silent for years and only came forward with these accusations now?" In this case, though, the harassment accusation happened at the time, and this opposing story of how it was actually an innocent gesture has surfaced only over a year later.

Either way, there can be valid reasons to delay. Still, I don't even know if this is Webb's account of what happened - since Rekieta doesn't even say where he got that story.

jeff37923 · April 24, 2019, 04:11:17 PM

Quote from: Myrdin Potter;1084368Of course they have the right to tell you what pronouns they prefer. It is not illegal. If you refuse, that is your choice. But they certainly have the right to tell you the pronouns they use.

I thought that it was in Canada. I know that these same Social Justice Terrorists are trying to make it a crime in the US.

SHARK · April 24, 2019, 04:47:10 PM

Quote from: jeff37923;1084421I thought that it was in Canada. I know that these same Social Justice Terrorists are trying to make it a crime in the US.

Greetings!

Hey Jeff! I read somewhere in the news that such laws and codes have already been established in America. As I recall, in New York and maybe other states, you can be arrested and fined, as well as fired and evicted if you refer to Trans what the fuck by what they consider to be an improper pronoun. So, evidently it's already here, with other cities and states considering adopting similar laws to "protect" the trans people.

Crazy stuff, my friend.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Myrdin Potter · April 24, 2019, 04:48:47 PM

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One popular story is that in the supposed incident at Paizo Con, Bill Webb assaulted someone. Above is what actually happened. Someone took it upon themselves to grab him and hurt themselves.

Makes you wonder how much more exaggeration there is around this?

Lurtch · April 24, 2019, 05:13:33 PM

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One popular story is that in the supposed incident at Paizo Con, Bill Webb assaulted someone. Above is what actually happened. Someone took it upon themselves to grab him and hurt themselves.

Makes you wonder how much more exaggeration there is around this?

A whole lot