Quote from: Melan;1084349This is going to get really ugly, but what can you do? It was going to happen one day. People are going to find out that using outrage mobs to destroy someone's business and reputation is no longer on the scale of geek slapfights and bad forum politics. These choices can come with real consequences (going both ways), and courts of law don't work the same way as courts of public opinion.

The joy of the modern Internet is that it makes it much easier to prove what someone said or incited when you're going for defamation.

Apparently if an rpg does not bend over backwards to support the bloodthirsty SJW mob they are supporting the Alt-right. Wow the entitlement never ends at TBP

Quote from: Myrdin Potter;1084368Of course they have the right to tell you what pronouns they prefer. It is not illegal. If you refuse, that is your choice. But they certainly have the right to tell you the pronouns they use.

I don't mean "right" in the strict sense, of course they have the freedom to say what they will.

What I meant, I suppose, was "fuck off with that bullshit."

Quote from: Brad;1084363It's not a moral necessity to placate people who are obviously dealing with legitimate emotional/mental issues, and doing so actually undermines their ability to get help. Why people insist that helping these people entails buying into their delusions is beyond me.

Wait, are we talking about the loons on RPGnet or Spinachcat? Because it's also not a moral necessity when confronted with one strain of batshit lunacy to embrace another strain of batshit lunacy. People who freak out at the very notion of someone making a pass at a woman are handwringing zealots. And people who think the only reason women go to bars is to get "pawed at by hot guys" are pathetic misogynists and probably incels to boot. The one isn't necessary to combat the other. Both are fucking obnoxious, and recognized as obnoxious by anyone who is honest and has a brain. Excusing the obnoxious idiots on your 'side' is why the Culture Warz or so toxic.

Quote from: sureshot;1084371Apparently if an rpg does not bend over backwards to support the bloodthirsty SJW mob they are supporting the Alt-right. Wow the entitlement never ends at TBP

   If you are not with them, you are with the enemies of civilization. (That becomes especially galling after seeing Stacy describe Notre Dame as a 'symbol of hate' last weekend ...)

Lawsuit was going to come on one of these eventually. If the BS the are spouting is true, then they have nothing to be afraid of.

What drives me crazy is, did this all start because Bill Webb handed a woman a pouch with cigarettes that included his room key and she took that as sexual harassment? When I travel back to India I have a pouch I hang around my neck with my passport, cash, ID, and room keys. It's very common to use these when you travel.

The other side never said what he did. They just lie and imply.

TBP put up a thread about the potential lawsuit.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/frog-god-games-threatens-to-sue-bill-webbs-victim-and-others-read-redtext-in-post-13-before-replying-suit-not-yet-actually-filed.844987/

What's interesting is that everyone there seems to have a very dramatic opinion about it, while no one seems to have actually watched the video in question because it's "too toxic." Nobody has even mentioned the possibility that Bill Webb did not harass the alleged victim at all, it's all cries of "legally silencing the victim" without even knowing the details of what they're talking about (sort of like in the SJG thread).

They are essentially clapping their hands over their ears and screaming. How embarrassing.

Quote from: Antiquation!;1084381TBP put up a thread about the potential lawsuit.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/frog-god-games-threatens-to-sue-bill-webbs-victim-and-others-read-redtext-in-post-13-before-replying-suit-not-yet-actually-filed.844987/

What's interesting is that everyone there seems to have a very dramatic opinion about it, while no one seems to have actually watched the video in question because it's "too toxic." Nobody has even mentioned the possibility that Bill Webb did not harass the alleged victim at all, it's all cries of "legally silencing the victim" without even knowing the details of what they're talking about (sort of like in the SJG thread).

They are essentially clapping their hands over their ears and screaming. How embarrassing.

LOL you can't view it without being logged in, I guess they're circling the wagons already.  How embarrassing! indeed.

These brainlets also seem to forget that this isn't about the (alleged) assault: this is about tortious interference.  You do not get to destroy a person's career based on conjecture.  People make crazy claims about other people all the time but what you cannot do is try to interfere in a contract.  That's not silencing victims, that's stopping someone from destroying a business.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;1084382These brainlets also seem to forget that this isn't about the (alleged) assault: this is about tortious interference.  You do not get to destroy a person's career based on conjecture.  People make crazy claims about other people all the time but what you cannot do is try to interfere in a contract.  That's not silencing victims, that's stopping someone from destroying a business.

100%. It never ceases to amuse me how quickly and flagrantly these types claim victimhood (in the most deliberately inciteful way possible) before immediately turning around and using that claimed victimhood as a weapon to victimize and control others, up to and including the destruction of peoples lives, reputations, livelihoods and families.

Quote from: Lurtch;1084379What drives me crazy is, did this all start because Bill Webb handed a woman a pouch with cigarettes that included his room key and she took that as sexual harassment? When I travel back to India I have a pouch I hang around my neck with my passport, cash, ID, and room keys. It's very common to use these when you travel.

The other side never said what he did. They just lie and imply.

Nick Rekieta is claiming that this cigarette story what happened in his video, but I haven't seen that from any of the previous descriptions of the incident. The understanding that I had previously was that allegedly, Webb had drunkenly following a woman around the hotel, who described him as stalking her through the halls, until a con staff member intervened - who was then injured in some way. The woman had not wanted to make this public, but Robert Brookes observed this and filed a complaint to PaizoCon who investigated and made a judgement. This was the thread I read:

http://www.enworld.org/forum/content.php?4613-Harassment-At-PaizoCon-2017

If people were lying about either of those, then they should be held responsible. Though, Nick Rekieta seems irresponsible to me to not at least mention that this was the other side of the story. Has anyone seen this cigarette story from anywhere other than Rekieta's video? What is his source for that?

Gee. It's like, everyone has their side of the story, and you can't just #believewomen.

Quote from: Antiquation!;1084381TBP put up a thread about the potential lawsuit.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/frog-god-games-threatens-to-sue-bill-webbs-victim-and-others-read-redtext-in-post-13-before-replying-suit-not-yet-actually-filed.844987/

What's interesting is that everyone there seems to have a very dramatic opinion about it, while no one seems to have actually watched the video in question because it's "too toxic." Nobody has even mentioned the possibility that Bill Webb did not harass the alleged victim at all, it's all cries of "legally silencing the victim" without even knowing the details of what they're talking about (sort of like in the SJG thread).

They are essentially clapping their hands over their ears and screaming. How embarrassing.

I dont' care to log into RPG.net. Does anyone have a link to this video?

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1084391I dont' care to log into RPG.net. Does anyone have a link to this video?

It's right here, starts at 54 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMThCmRezFw&feature=youtu.be&t=3440

The guy doing the YouTube video seemed pretty vague on the facts, so I would not consider him to be a very good source of new facts. I don't post on the other site so I cannot read their new thread, but thinking this is just a nuisance lawsuit is not the best approach as I did some searching and the lawyer that was hired has won an actual judgment in the past. I would be careful about what I said.

The outcome is pretty clear - their allegations are true and provable and the lawsuits die and it invigorates them or they are not true and the court then will determine if they are damaging (slander/libel). Without being part of the process and seeing the testimony, nothing else to do but wait and be more cautious about comments.