Quote from: Willmark;1083657Yeah that's not the case.

Once the K&K crowd started re-infesting the site from their "we're taking our ball and going home" hissy fit DF started to change and not for the better.

YMMV.

Greetings!

Hmmm...interesting. What did the "K and K" crowd have a hissy fit over? A long time ago, I briefly visited DF. At the time, DF seemed fairly straightforward, even being pedestrian in their demeanor. I don't consider such to be a negative, rather a certain zeal to stay strictly within the subject lines as it were. They seemed to be solid and genuine. I am at a loss for why anyone would have a problem with DF, at that distant incarnation. I'm thinking circa 2002 to 2006. What the hell is wrong with those K and K people? How did they proceed to fuck up DF? I remember Gary Gygaxx and other TSR folks would often stop by and visit. It seemed like a pretty nice place.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I like how they escalated Webb's 'crimes' over the course of the thread.  First he was a harasser, then a sexual harasser then a drunken sexual harasser, moved up to an unrepentant alcoholic and now he's a sexual abuser.  Can't wait to see how far this goes.

Yaay grog on grog action!! Makes a change from the horrors of Social Justice.

For the record, I filed a complaint (not an appeal) regarding my warning on rpg.net and we'll just have to see what comes out of it. I like keeping an open-mind and giving people the opportunity to disappoint/not disappoint me.

You are going to get banned. Perhaps not now, but soon enough.

Quote from: SHARK;1083672Greetings!

Hmmm...interesting. What did the "K and K" crowd have a hissy fit over? A long time ago, I briefly visited DF. At the time, DF seemed fairly straightforward, even being pedestrian in their demeanor. I don't consider such to be a negative, rather a certain zeal to stay strictly within the subject lines as it were. They seemed to be solid and genuine. I am at a loss for why anyone would have a problem with DF, at that distant incarnation. I'm thinking circa 2002 to 2006. What the hell is wrong with those K and K people? How did they proceed to fuck up DF? I remember Gary Gygaxx and other TSR folks would often stop by and visit. It seemed like a pretty nice place.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

That's Willmark's way of describing making the K&KA forum.  He's harped this note for a while, here and other places. https://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1923366#p1923366  

His premise is imaginative.  I think we all know one of those guys who purely seethes with resentment over something, and thereafter spreads discrediting gossip around because he wants others to share his dislike.  

What can you do?  Not much.  If people wish to dislike DF they'll find a reason.  K&KA lives rent-free in Willmark's head - mentioning DF anywhere he goes brings out a "K&KA killed it" post like a doctor hitting your knee with a rubber hammer.  For the narrow purpose of carrying grudges over unknown slights, Willmark has wished himself an effective strength of 20.

I mean - DF is right there.  If someone said "Denver has been turned into shithole!" I can go look at same-day pictures on google and see for myself.  Same with DF.  It's not El Dorado across the sea, where you have to rely on the word of people who claim to have been there, whispered in smoky taverns across rough tables.

Quote from: EOTB;1083688That's Willmark's way of describing making the K&KA forum.  He's harped this note for a while, here and other places. https://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1923366#p1923366  

His premise is imaginative.  I think we all know one of those guys who purely seethes with resentment over something, and thereafter spreads discrediting gossip around because he wants others to share his dislike.  

What can you do?  Not much.  If people wish to dislike DF they'll find a reason.  K&KA lives rent-free in Willmark's head - mentioning DF anywhere he goes brings out a "K&KA killed it" post like a doctor hitting your knee with a rubber hammer.  For the narrow purpose of carrying grudges over unknown slights, Willmark has wished himself an effective strength of 20.

I mean - DF is right there.  If someone said "Denver has been turned into shithole!" I can go look at same-day pictures on google and see for myself.  Same with DF.  It's not El Dorado across the sea, where you have to rely on the word of people who claim to have been there, whispered in smoky taverns across rough tables.

Dragonsfoot definitely is a lot worse now than when I first started posting back in 2003-2004. I had my account deleted specifically because it got annoyingly bad. You can pretend that's not the case all you want.

What I find really funny is how ruthlessly effective all the detractors make us K&KA guys out to be.

"They didn't like what the site was, and they took their ball and went somehwhere else"

"We don't like what the site is, so we've deleted our accounts and/or no longer participate"

"They went out, created their own site, and then plotted a massive take-over of the original, which they subsequently executed"

"We on the other hand, tried to make a site and lure people to it as an alternative, which completely failed to gain traction, and now we snipe from the alleyways of other sites about how mean and horrible they are"

Rent-fucking-free.

Quote from: Melan;1083681You are going to get banned. Perhaps not now, but soon enough.

I accepted the probability before I hit the first keystroke typing the original post. As mentioned: I like giving people the opportunity to reveal who they are, for better or for worse.

Quote from: EOTB;1083697What I find really funny is how ruthlessly effective all the detractors make us K&KA guys out to be.

"They didn't like what the site was, and they took their ball and went somehwhere else"

"We don't like what the site is, so we've deleted our accounts and/or no longer participate"

"They went out, created their own site, and then plotted a massive take-over of the original, which they subsequently executed"

"We on the other hand, tried to make a site and lure people to it as an alternative, which completely failed to gain traction, and now we snipe from the alleyways of other sites about how mean and horrible they are"

Rent-fucking-free.

100% pure cope.

Quote from: EOTB;1083688That's Willmark's way of describing making the K&KA forum.  He's harped this note for a while, here and other places. https://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1923366#p1923366  

His premise is imaginative.  I think we all know one of those guys who purely seethes with resentment over something, and thereafter spreads discrediting gossip around because he wants others to share his dislike.  

What can you do?  Not much.  If people wish to dislike DF they'll find a reason.  K&KA lives rent-free in Willmark's head - mentioning DF anywhere he goes brings out a "K&KA killed it" post like a doctor hitting your knee with a rubber hammer.  For the narrow purpose of carrying grudges over unknown slights, Willmark has wished himself an effective strength of 20.

I mean - DF is right there.  If someone said "Denver has been turned into shithole!" I can go look at same-day pictures on google and see for myself.  Same with DF.  It's not El Dorado across the sea, where you have to rely on the word of people who claim to have been there, whispered in smoky taverns across rough tables.

You're mistaken. If the K&K jackasses want to continue to pretend that they are still more Gygax than Gygax that's their business not mine.

But when certain ones want to tell me my fun is wrong/bad? Guess what when off the preserve (like here) they can't fall back to timeouts and bans. This is the Wild West here and certain K&Kers (note I didn't say all) can go pound sand.

And it's a bit rich coming from you of all people, don't you have some more TSR alum to troll for over a year? Frank might have ended up being a total clown but you hardly came away the hero there champ.

When have I ever bragged about any of that whole mess?  WHEN, Willmark?  The only time I address it is when people bring it up to me and/or try to recast the history for their own purposes.  Do you consider yourself trolling towards me right now with the cross-forum drama in a thread about SJG?  I don't; I consider it your venting of your frustration and nothing more.  

You've had problems with DF mods?  Perhaps a mirror, instead of a conspiracy, would be a better course.  You're right: RPGSite is the wild west; DF is a London street.  And yet your approach differs not at all between the two.  I'm not responsible for your tendency to, if upset, play the man instead of the field.  I don't even interact with you on DF.  Do I seem worried about interacting with you here?  Angry bitter people only raise your profile, so why would I stop you?

I mean seriously, look at your post.  It's filled with resentment over people not liking what you like - apparently vocally so - and blaming your troubles on others who are obviously conspiring against you, all while appealing to the crowd that this person is mean.  It's like a twin of Chris Brady's stock argument, lost at birth.  Sure, some people might take it at face value.  But IME for every manlet who's emotionally predisposed to eat that shit up, there's five more who silently look it over and start talking with me.  Straining out anyone who takes this stuff at face value is value-added.

Quote from: EOTB;1083735Sure, some people might take it at face value.  But IME for every manlet who's emotionally predisposed to eat that shit up, there's five more who silently look it over and start talking with me.  Straining out anyone who takes this stuff at face value is value-added.

How fat and/or bald are you? Asking for a friend.

I'm 500 lbs and haven't had any hair for 30 years.

What is a K&Ker? I have not come across that term before.