Quote from: ThatChrisGuy;1083530I find it very annoying that the loud asshole Puritans are, broadly speaking, on the left at the present moment.  That's just fucking wrong, they're supposed to be right-wing assholes.  We're so goddamn transgressive nowadays we're transgressing transgression.

The line between good and evil runs through every human heart. One of the positives of the culture wars is that it's taught me that everybody has the potential to be an asshole, and that everyone thinks their intentions are justified.

Quote from: Larsdangly;1083546The really stupid thing about my supposed 'sealioning'

You can't even disagree civily, without getting accused of Sealioning. It's a strawman idea that punishes dissent.

Quote from: Lurtch;1083542Wmarshal,

Bill Webb didn't do anything worthy of being arrested and/or prosecuted. Did you notice the "victim" never said what he did? They just lie and imply. He didn't harass her. He made a drunken pass and she rejected him. He didn't stalk her. He doesn't have a history or track record of doing these things at other conventions.

Stop fucking lying and implying! Show the receipts or shut the fuck up!

Lurtch, you can just piss off with your boner for Bill Webb. Make sure you clean your pillow when your done jerking off to his picture. Frog God Games has admitted to the harassment that occurred at PaizoCon with the statement:

https://www.froggodgames.com/library/?q=forum/response-frog-god-games-events-social-media

Reading the statements from Paizo and Bill's target leaves calling the cops as an option that was not taken.

https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uoph?Open-Letter-From-Paizo-CEO-Lisa-Stevens

Lisa Stevens felt Bill did something that would have been worth calling the cops, otherwise why bring it up, and they are closer to the situation than you or I. There was also a witness to a staffer receiving some form of assault from Bill. Bill does deny the assault, but Bill as a witness to his own drunken behavior might be suspect. We will never know with 100% certainty if Bill should have been arrested because the victim of Bill's harassment decided to not involve the cops. (A mistake in my opinion, but it's her mistake to make.)  For the alleged assault an arrest would be a possibility. For getting kicked out of the con/hotel for bad behavior cops could have showed up to escort him off the property/public intoxication/need to take charge of his children since he was in no shape to drive them around to another location. Plenty of scenarios could have played out if they made the call to the cops, but they did not. Frog God Games admitted to bad behavior on Bill's part and offered apologies for such. The fact that you ignore that admission to such just shows how much you're carrying a torch for Bill. The result of that night was that the cops were not called on Bill, but your torch carrying for Bill is your such you can't handle anyone besmirching your fantasy man. Given that Bill Webb and Frog God Games are continuing to work successfully in games, your white knighting of Bill in a thread focused on the SJWs trying to take down Steve Jackson Games., even though there has been essentially a confession to bad behavior, is pathetic.

Quote from: Aglondir;1083543I thought Evil Hat was SJW (?)
What did Bundle of Holding do?

Evil Hat is SJW-riffic. At one point Stacy called for boycotting a kickstarter by Evil Hat Games because she thought it's owner (Fred Hicks) was slut-shaming minis by Kingdoms of Death. Later the Bundle of Holding tried to run a project by which the proceeds from selling Evil Hat product would benefit Contessa. When Fred found out he asked the Bundle of Holding to redirect the proceeds to a different charity, which they did. Admittedly, the Bundle of Holding could have done a better job of coordination and communication, but Stacy used the Bundle of Holding's mistake to declare it doubleplus ungood, and to castigate Fred Hicks for daring to remember that Stacy is a scorpion and will always sting you, always.

Quote from: Larsdangly;1083546The really stupid thing about my supposed 'sealioning' is I suspect I more or less agree with these dip shits, I just literally don't understand what we are talking about and wanted to see something clear and uncoded before adding my own blather to the general chaos. Are we trying to judge an appropriate response to a verbal harassment, or a physical assault, or a rape? Was the other person mentioned in the third-party reports injured or just jostled and mad? None of this amounts to excusing anyone for anything, but you do have to understand what someone did before you decide whether the right response is to cut off their head. This whole thing is just enormously childish. We have to find some way of dealing with the fact that some percentage of the people in any large community have committed crimes and should be called out for it, yet are still among us and interact with us directly and indirectly in various ways.

Hrrrmm?? The usual definition is if a public criminal prosecutor feels that a specific law has been broken, and if there is enough evidence to issue an arrest warrant or summons to appear. Generally our standard here in the United States has been a person is then arrested and charged with a specific crime, and the prosecutor makes their case before a jury or judge, who decides if the person being charged is in fact guilty of breaking the law. With this entire process, the person arrested is presumed innocent until proven guilty. Civil cases are slightly different, however usually only feature business disputes, or misdemeanors, that is to say minor crimes in the eyes of the law. The Judgement of a judge or jury civil court is binding though, just the same as with criminal court.

The sjw use gaslighting, intimidation, and fear to compel their targets to submit to the will of sjw, whatever that may be at the moment, and has no actual basis in criminal, or civil law. Eventually one of them sjw cucks will be stepping over the line, and will target the wrong person, and then they will find themselves on the wrong end of a civil or criminal investigation. It is only a matter of time.

Quote from: Haffrung;1083534I love how these kooks had to invent a new word, "sealioning", to vilify the very act of challenging their assertions.

It's what closed belief systems do. Glancing through the thread I have come to the conclusion that this is what we're dealing with here. But it's no use - they will come under heavy artillery fire from outside anyway.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1083552You can't even disagree civily, without getting accused of Sealioning. It's a strawman idea that punishes dissent.

Greetings!

My friend, forgive my ignorance, as I have not kept up with social media at all. What the hell is "Sealioning"?

All of these new words and expressions--it often feels bewildering to me. My ignorance of such must make me seem like a dinosaur from a distant age.
Honestly...sometimes I do feel out-of-step with a lot of it. It's strange feeling like so many aspects of society have flown by me what seems like 20 years.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK;1083573Greetings!

My friend, forgive my ignorance, as I have not kept up with social media at all. What the hell is "Sealioning"?

No problem. There's a lot of jargon on both sides.

It comes from a Wondermark comic, that caught on.


http://wondermark.com/1k62/

The "joke" is that even reasonable discussion can be harassment if you, you know, break and enter into someone's house and try to have a discussion with them while they're trying to sleep...
I suspect it caught on because it's hard to actually engage in civil discussion, because then one actually has to defend their position, and can't claim victory because the other person is being an ass.

And now, as expected, anyone who even slightly dissented from the pure venom inside that TBP thread has been banned or ordered to leave; plus the mods have posted a warning that anyone who "sealions" or uses "concern trolling" (??) going forward will receive a lengthy ban.

I'm actually sort of surprised it took this long, but still. It's like poetry. The echoiest of echo chambers has once again proved its reputation.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1083574It comes from a Wondermark comic, that caught on.

So it's a pretext to shutdown critical questions in order to maintain the closed belief system. What else is new under the sun?

Quote from: Antiquation!;1083580And now, as expected, anyone who even slightly dissented from the pure venom inside that TBP thread has been banned or ordered to leave; plus the mods have posted a warning that anyone who "sealions" or uses "concern trolling" (??) going forward will receive a lengthy ban.

I'm actually sort of surprised it took this long, but still. It's like poetry. The echoiest of echo chambers has once again proved its reputation.

I like that the reasoning for the warning I received is a complete non-sequitur.

Quote from: Alexander Kalinowski;1083581I like that the reasoning for the warning I received is a complete non-sequitur.

I saw that too. What a joke.

I wonder if Stacy D. was in contact with Mandy Morbid and encouraged her to go after Zak S. It would weirdly fit the pattern of sociopathic behavior she's become known for.

Sea lions! LOL. How cute the anti-free speech crowd has fun new words!

Quote from: Antiquation!;1083580And now, as expected, anyone who even slightly dissented from the pure venom inside that TBP thread has been banned or ordered to leave;

Excellent! How many bans? Anyone go out in style?

Quote from: jeff37923;1083586I wonder if Stacy D. was in contact with Mandy Morbid and encouraged her to go after Zak S. It would weirdly fit the pattern of sociopathic behavior she's become known for.

Based on what I remember from the email from Mandy's father, it sounds like Mandy has been in terrible shape physically and then spiraled down emotionally thanks to a social media pit of vipers. Certainly sounds like the equivalents of Stacy D, but hopefully not her.

But sadly, quite often a woman's worst enemy is usually other women in their social circles, so who knows.

Interesting how that whole teacup tempest went rather suddenly silent.

Quote from: asron819;1083517While we don't know the exact details, we know it happened. and the matter being closed doesn't mean anyone has to buy their stuff. I think it's ridiculous to say it's unreasonable to not want to support a company based on the actions of someone in charge of that company. Nobody needs a reason not to buy a product in the first place, but that's a pretty good reason if you think you do need one.

So you dont know what happened but you know something happened?

I think that is the essence of unreasonableness, blaming someone for a crime that happened in your imagination.