Quote from: Benoist;556471The thing is, you know your dance here is total bullshit designed to create as much drama as possible to disrupt the site and turn people against the Pundit's policy and/or away from this place, otherwise you would not have deleted that post my previous answer to you was quoting. You're not very good at this GW, are you?

No, Ghostwhistler is correct - he has been consistant on this issue. Just as Ladybird is correct in that he's also very consistant in finding stuff to dislike and then attempt to beat-up on, on the internet.

I mean, are you seriously gonna read a thread about a console game started by GW? No. You know what it's going to say before it starts.

Unfortunately, GW also has a bit of a persecution complex - normally because when people see he's whining about something else, again, they get fed up with it and say nasty things. I've done it and i'm not proud of it.

In fact, i have some sympathy for GW. If only he was less shrill and whiny and could actually argue his way out of a paper-bag, he might just have a point.

Purposeful site disruption is wide of the mark.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;556373I'm asking you to knock the abuse off, it isn't required, and it isn't welcome. Spare me the holier than thou attitude. This crap is pulled everytime someone makes a comment that you people don't like: you can't address it, you can't respond appropriately. You cry foul and throw abuse. Asking for a definition of terms in respect of what constitutes an rpg is perfectly reasonable, and not once has one been provided. Why isn't there a sticky on the rpg forum, for instance, and don't give me this 'it's pundit's site, he can do what he likes' because that isn't an answer, it's an excuse. I am not asking people to like play or even discuss 'story' games, I am asking people to respect those that do. I am telling you that shuffling threads around and provoking this silly 'pundit vs swine' paranoia is a complete waste of everyone's time, not least of all your/his own. What does it achieve? Has the rpg community taken any notice of this bizarre crusade? Do people stop playing these games? All you are doing is hurting this website by making it look petulant and childish. If you want people to see it as one man's personal playground then expect to see very few visitors as a result of this banner ad, which is a waste of time and money.
Discussion of story games is important not for the simple minded reasons thrown in my face, but because any attempt at innovation in our hobby, successful or otherwise, is a good thing. Anyone that wants to try a new idea or a new approach should be able to discuss it. The minute you shuffle everything to a lower traffic explicitly non-rpg forum you traduce it, you send out a message that it's not worthy of discussion. That is stupid, limiting and self defeating, and anyone that advocates those as qualities representative of my hobby isn't someone I would ever welcome at my table.

(Creaks under the quote's weight)

Well, I guess that on RPG.net they would have banned you for "lack of respect for paragraph's breaks". Isn't this site wonderful?

Quote from: One Horse Town;556472again

Purposeful site disruption is wide of the mark.

Speaking of which, can we get back to the whole idea of moving 4e to other games? I fully support it, because after it happens I'd like to argue against it.

Quote from: One Horse Town;556472Purposeful site disruption is wide of the mark.

I used to think the way you do but I am starting to have serious doubts about it. Whining and bitching endlessly, fine. Being outrageously insulting and then pretending people are just mean to you, fine. Posting storygames threads in the wrong forum, fine at first, less fine when I start suspecting it's done on purpose as a "fuck you" to the Pundit to start a new drama about it each time the thread gets moved. Using threads like this one to rehash the whole thing and use it as a platform to go on your private war against the Pundit, I'm starting to have trouble finding excuses for the whiner.

Don't get me wrong: it's certainly possible for him to be so completely oblivious that he doesn't realize what he's actually doing. I'm starting to have problems with that explanation, though. Occam's Razor et al.

Quote from: benoist;556452it's totally related. The war against desborough made the excesses of rpgnet quite obvious to a new segment of its users who had not previously broken off from the place, they checked out the rpg site and found it's actually not the hellhole some people portray it as on other sites.

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you take that back!!!!!!

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;556454Which means what?

That's not really the same thing now is it.

Oh yes it is.  Let me kill two birds with one stone: the "landmarks" mean "things you can't remove without X not being X anymore" (in this case, without RPGs not being RPGs anymore). So to give you an example, if you were on a chess forum, and someone was insisting that the right way to play chess was for the goal to be to capture all the pawns, would that still be chess?

..now what if they told you the "goal" was really and had really always been to make pretty patterns with the pieces on the board?

That's how radically different Storygames are from RPGs.  They change the fundamental goal of the RPG into "Making a story", which it never was.  They change the fundamental definition of what makes an RPG an RPG, and therefore are irregular, they go beyond the landmarks.

QuoteAny reason you're asking me to change my details months after I edited them? If the rules prohibit politically charged signatures and the like that's entirely fine, but I don't think I'm the only one with a political title and/or sig am i?

Because you brought up the whole issue of off-topic posting and it made me notice your off-topic details.  If anyone else has User details advocating that all the members of a major mainstream UK political party should be put to death, I'll get right on it as far as making them stop too.


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Quote from: Ghost Whistler;556468continuing a crusade that noone else cares about

Enough people cared about it to create this site, and for me to get money, fame, free RPG swag, and a consultancy at WoTC.  

I know its driving you crazy, but just repeating over and over again that no one cares about my views won't make it true; in fact, it proves its false because you feel like you have to keep repeating it.  It proves even you care about my views.

QuoteNow you can continue your paranoid little crusade against me and believe that I genuinely want this site to fail

You do.

Quoteor to turn away new players,

You do.

Quoteor that I'm secretly John Q Storygamer in disguise,

You're not in disguise.

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Quote from: Benoist;556452It's totally related. The War against Desborough made the excesses of RPGnet quite obvious to a new segment of its users who had not previously broken off from the place, they checked out the RPG Site and found it's actually not the hellhole some people portray it as on other sites.

Discussion ensues about bringing more visibility to the site, banner included. This is what pisses off Ghost Whistler, fundamentally, so he disrupts the thread with his bullshit, either to use it as a platform to create a shitstorm involving the new users of the site, or to drive them away by making us look bad.

Either way, that's sabotage, pure and simple, as far as I'm concerned.

I see. So he's pissed about the banner? How stupid and bitter.

Well, looks like it's Lord of the Flies time.

Quote from: One Horse Town;556490Well, looks like it's Lord of the Flies time.

oooh..... does that mean I get yummy long-pig BBQ?

Who fucking broke the conch shell again, god dammit?

And, really, this temper tantrum by Ghost Whistler is a good example of why storygames were placed in Other Games in the first place. So that discussion of the fucking things would not cause infantile pieces of shit to disrupt otherwise interesting conversations with unrelated crap.

Thanks, GW. You have shown why this board's policy is a good one.

Quote from: Spike;556510oooh..... does that mean I get yummy long-pig BBQ?

You and I remember Lord of the Flies very differently.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;556393This is just pure melodrama.

I can't believe you wrote that about someone else.

Quote from: James Gillen;556435The RPGSite is like Australia: Where it's manly to call another man a "cunt."

JG

He's from the UK.  They do that there.