Quote from: CRKrueger;556100Actually you can talk WW or the 40k RPGs or Shadowrun all day long here, as they're not Storygames.

What was GW's complaint again? I assumed he is big into 40k stuff. Personally I love Dark Heresy, Rogue Trader and WFRP 1/2e.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;556087What happened over there is that they promoted Rand to a moderator and now he's banning people for things like starting a sentence on a new line rather than continue it in a more traditional paragraph form.

What the BALLS.

Quote from: Novastar;556098Ahem...


I figure I've missed a few, but Glass Houses and all that... :rolleyes:

Its funny listening to the sucking sounds in the TT thread as various posters disengage themselves from mods' arseholes long enough to voice a feeble +1 disagree with this insane abuse of power. Looks like the emporer's clothes are finally on display, and I'm not just talking about Rand.

Quote from: Marleycat;556102Personally I love WFRP 1/2e.

You know, I really wouldn't have guessed.  I pegged you for a high magic sort of person.  And while my WFRP 1e experience is limited to only a dozen or so sessions, the magic users in that game always felt way underpowered compared to the other careers.

Quote from: Marleycat;556102What was GW's complaint again? I assumed he is big into 40k stuff.

He is, he just hates that FFG hasn't made an Eldar game yet, or Dark Heresy doesn't work with just two players or whatever the hell else.  

Quote from: Sacrosanct;556107You know, I really wouldn't have guessed.  I pegged you for a high magic sort of person.  And while my WFRP 1e experience is limited to only a dozen or so sessions, the magic users in that game always felt way underpowered compared to the other careers.

You have me pegged correctly but I like Warhammer's magic for the danger. I love consequesnces like taint/warp/insanity/fatigue/paradox/overchannelling/defiling/preserving or whatever because it allows for magic to be really powerful and nobody complains because it's a whole different resource management game of "do I use a spell or not? Or do I risk overchannelling in exchange for the side effect?" and so on.

Warhammer magic is powerful it's the sanity/chaos downside that is a self limiter and the in world fear/loathing of magic users ie. Dark Sun.

Quote from: Benoist;555943That's because you seem to still have this illusion that this place wants to be "RPGnet... but better!"

This is not the case.

This place is not RPGnet, nor does it want to be. It is an alternative to RPGnet for people who enjoy role playing games and want to talk about actual gaming and games without the Tangency bullshit, the Swinish pretention that RPGs are art meant to explore the depth of whatever the fuck makes you sound cool and intellectual these days, without the Forgist theory bullshit that wants to construe RPGs as things they are not to promote the storywank of bat penis experts, without all the wank of failed authors who should write fucking books instead of fucking up popular RPGs to change them into something they're not.

The RPG Site is NOT an "emotionally safe" environment. It does not have a vocation to catter to your own delusions of what being welcoming means or does not mean. It is not about "one size fits all", "keeping the peace" or any of that Kool Aid you seem addicted to. It does welcome all manners of actual gamers, but after that, your reputation is pretty much left to what you decide to post and not to post.

If you come across as a whiner who can't get over the fact his threads get moved to another forum and keeps on bitching endlessly about it for years to then keep on posting the same stuff in the wrong places over and over again, then so be it. You'll be treated as such.

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Quote from: The Traveller;555891Why would he want to give ammunition to rules lawyers so they can run as close to the line as possible, and then run weeping for *vibes* and manufactured outrage when they get justifiably banned for dickery?

It is funny how many of the people who call for this site to have "clear rules" are clearly demanding it so they can skirt the edge of said rules and manipulate them to push their agendas, huh?

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Quote from: Ghost Whistler;555879It would be a lot more perfect without the stupid whining about story games and this petulant crap. What good does it do to have people come over here thinking this is the oasis of free speech who like story games only to then find out they aren't welcome. Complete bollocks.

I very much doubt any Storygamers will be coming over here from RPG.net looking for "free speech" since storygames, falling under the definition of what the modclique considers fashionable, are a protected subject over there.

And if they really have a problem with discussing their non-roleplaying games in the "other games forum", which they would be welcome to do to their heart's delight, they could always go make some other forum.. maybe some place called "storygames"... oh, wait, that place already exists.

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Quote from: Sacrosanct;556087What happened over there is that they promoted Rand to a moderator and now he's banning people for things like starting a sentence on a new line rather than continue it in a more traditional paragraph form.

I think Rand has the right idea.  Ban people for bad grammar and soon NO ONE will be able to post there.  

JG

Quote from: RPGPundit;556120It is funny how many of the people who call for this site to have "clear rules" are clearly demanding it so they can skirt the edge of said rules and manipulate them to push their agendas, huh?

It seems to have worked for them in quite a few other places, unfortunately.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;556068Well, then it seems like the fix is an easy one.  Rename this forum to "traditional role-playing games", and add a subforum called "storygames"

That way you have an official policy that enables you to move any storygaming talk out of this main forum without coming off as just moving it to be a dick.

It's in the forum description.

The main forum is for discussion of traditional RPGs. The other games forum's for all others.

The only problem with that charactisation is that a few people have problems with what Pundit classes a storygame.

Quote from: KenHR;556097I, too, miss rgfa, though I only lurked there.  That was "theory" discussion that actually had a grounding in reality, and those theories were tested by actual play, not the kind of shit Ron and Levi started preaching on BBSs.  But our current governor decided that Usenet was a danger to society and basically got it outlawed in NYS when he was AG.  I still hate the fucker for that.

I don't strongly disagree with that.  But I think that rgfa benefited from having to deal with David Berkman and Theatrix, for example.  Even though David was an annoying windbag, I think discussion was better for dealing with him and his ideas.  If there was some moderator who said "Theatrix isn't an RPG so it's off topic" and moved his posts out, I think it would have hurt discussion.  

The problem with moderation like The Forge and RPGnet is that the place becomes a sounding board for similar points of view.  Rather than having to directly deal with people who play (say) D&D, posters can appeal to us-vs-them and make outlandish statements about D&D play.  

The same thing can happen here if we try to push away points of view, say, that favor story games or that dislike old-school D&D.  

Quote from: CRKrueger;556079When they're not specifically trying to be intellectually dishonest, people know what the difference is, they just don't like the classification.  Well, open your own forum then, or call Pundit a useless cocksucker (you have the freedom to do that) and then go talk about your Storygame in the other forum.

Or you know, if you really were that into that type of game, you could go to Story-games.com. An AW thread is right on the first forum page with 58 replies.  Go for it!

Sure, I've been on story-games.com for years, just like I've been on theRPGsite for years.  And in there and here, I regularly point out that its stupid to go on about how your preferred style of game is objectively superior.  I think the majority are reasonable people who are fine with other people having different taste in games.  However, both there are here, there are some posters who insist on ridiculous claims - like how traditional RPG players are brain-damaged or have broken social skills (there); or how anyone who had problems with AD&D1 never actually played it (here).

Quote from: Spike;555980Actually, Ladybird is objectively wrong as we can freely talk about, in the RPG section of the forum, such games as Eclipse Phase and the aweful Gamma World reboot... both of which involved Bruce Baugh, who is one of the Pundit's nerdfight opponents.

Yup, because these are actual RPGs, however bad.

QuoteLikewise, I've never seen a White Wolf thread removed, despite the Pundit's undying hatred for their creators.  Hell, I'm pretty sure Noblis is still an RPG section game... (countdown until Grimgent post in 5....4....)

Right, because again, though I personally think they're awful RPGs, they're still actual RPGs.  The idea that I'm just declaring anything I don't personally like to be "non-rpgs" is idiotic.

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Quote from: jhkim;556017I'm registered on both story-games.com and here.  I play a fairly wide range of RPGs.  I comment sometimes in the Other Games section here, but being shunted off to a lower-traffic side forum does discourage discussion.  I don't check the Other Games forum that often, and story games discussions there don't go very far.  

It's pretty obvious to me that shunting certain games off into a side forum discourages discussion.  Pundit commented about this a while ago when RPGnet folded out D&D and Fantasy D20 into a separate forum, calling it an anti-D&D move.

Indeed I did, and indeed it was; and I'm quite willing to concede the point that my putting storygames-discussion in "Other Games" is an anti-storygames move.

The critical difference of course is that over there, a forum allegedly about RPGs shunted the biggest, most popular RPG of all time into a ghetto.  Whereas over here, I've shunted games that aren't actually RPGs into a ghetto.

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