Quote from: John Morrow;552407What did you want to ban him for?  Because you asked him about speech and then supported the ban on the grounds that he was advocating sexual assault.  What was the opinion that he expressed that was ban-worthy, in your words?  I ask because this:

I can't speak for Benny or OHT, but to me, thie part where Benny posted...

Quote from: Benoist;552371So it's okay to say "I'm going to rape you" to someone... "because the internet"?

... and B.T. posted...

Quote from: B.T.;552356Duh.

... in response was the big problem. IMO that is condoning threats of violence, which is a crime here in America where I live, and IMO wrong whether a crime or not. BT said it's ok to commit assault against a person.

Quote from: Aos;552411John please accept my sincere apology for doing this, but I agree with you.


So with that, have I managed to leave anyone in the thread un pissed off at me, because that would be a shame, really,

It's impossible to be pissed off at you Aos, you'r posts are almost always too awesome for that Besides, for an honest poster like you, expressing your opinion is never a bad thing IMO, whether I agree with you or not. Ok, back to the map.

It's like saying it's okay to post pedophile fantasies on the internet "because the internet." Fuck that noise, man. You can plead your First Amendment case all you want over your own blog, but you are not going to do this on the RPG Site if I have a say about it. Period.

Quote from: One Horse Town;552389If you feel that strongly about the ban, open a thread in the Help Desk.

Who knows, Pundit might agree with you and reinstate him.

Morrow is welcome to open a thread and for the subject to be discussed, but I would not agree or reinstate BT.  I support the moderator's call in this case.

BT has been steadily escalating his comments and consistently looking to be more and more offensive on purpose, and has been trying to play an amusingly rpg.net-esque game of skirting the edge of the limits for as long as possible.  I don't think that he adds enough to this site to make up for the disruptive nature of how his very presence here cheapened the fuck out of this place and gave consistent ammunition to people who hate this site.  He couldn't have done it any better if he was a sockpuppet for one of the swine out to intentionally provide ammo for anti-rpgsite propaganda.

So the way I see it, this is a site-disruption issue.  And I don't think it does credit to... well, anyone else here, to set up some kind of theoretical equivalency between their posting views and habits and BT's.  No one else is even close.

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QuoteHe couldn't have done it any better if he was a sockpuppet for one of the swine out to intentionally provide ammo for anti-rpgsite propaganda.

I'm still not entirely convinced this wasn't the case.  

I hate to be a conspiracist, but his story stinks to high heaven.

Quote from: J Arcane;552394And John Morrow proves once again that there is no one so vile on this site that someone won't whine and cry fascism at their removal.

I think that was proven at Walkerp's banning lo these many moons ago. The man actually came out in favor of mass genocide in favor of gaia and he still had fans here when the ban came down when he wouldn't get off the pro-pedo kick.

Quote from: Aos;552411John please accept my sincere apology for doing this, but I agree with you.


So with that, have I managed to leave anyone in the thread un pissed off at me, because that would be a shame, really,

Bwah? I usually agree with the majority of what you say and agree at least in large part with your stance in this thread.  Besides you consistently make me laugh in a good way.

It was really more of a rhetorical question.

Jesus. Now all the morally upstanding folk at RPGnet are upbraiding Desborough snr for not bringing his son up all proper, like. Then, maybe he wouldn't be fucked in the head and they wouldn't be forced to read his books!

Also, in comedy capers Darren Maclennan posts in huge letters that the article title was "In Defence of Rape" - which i believe is an example of the chinese whispers going on.

That trainwreck of a thread should be closed. Any mod there who thinks they are being impartial in this are lying. The first thread was abbeted by at least 3 mods and an admin, now untruths are being posted in TT (before a hasty deletion.)

In fact, i would like this thread to be closed.

Quote from: One Horse Town;552446Jesus. Now all the morally upstanding folk at RPGnet are upbraiding Desborough snr for not bringing his son up all proper, like. Then, maybe he wouldn't be fucked in the head and they wouldn't be forced to read his books!

Also, in comedy capers Darren Maclennan posts in huge letters that the article title was "In Defence of Rape" - which i believe is an example of the chinese whispers going on.

That trainwreck of a thread should be closed. Any mod there who thinks they are being impartial in this are lying. The first thread was abbeted by at least 3 mods and an admin, now untruths are being posted in TT (before a hasty deletion.)

In fact, i would like this thread to be closed.

While I understand that this thread is painful, I also think that it is important and should be kept open. We are watching an agenda driven witch hunt designed to silence an author and damage publishers. The author is disreputable, but the instigator of this witch hunt has not been attacking the author's faults, instead she has lied about what the author said and is using that falsehood to drive the attack against him.

Because whether we like it or not, depending on how successful this is in shutting down John Desborough and/or shaming Mongoose Publishing into losing business, will determine whether or not this tactic is used again in the future to fulfill agendas that damage the gaming hobby and the gaming industry.

Quote from: jeff37923;552452While I understand that this thread is painful, I also think that it is important and should be kept open. We are watching an agenda driven witch hunt designed to silence an author and damage publishers. The author is disreputable, but the instigator of this witch hunt has not been attacking the author's faults, instead she has lied about what the author said and is using that falsehood to drive the attack against him.

I agree. I initially thought this discussion would damage the RPG Site, but I think now that the Pundit's decision to allow it to happen was in fact the right one. This thread ought to remain open, in my mind.

Quote from: One Horse Town;552446Jesus. Now all the morally upstanding folk at RPGnet are upbraiding Desborough snr for not bringing his son up all proper, like. Then, maybe he wouldn't be fucked in the head and they wouldn't be forced to read his books!

This is the thing though.

They don't care about creativity.

They don't care about gaming.

They do not care about RPGs.

I don't even think they give a shit about the latest industry gossip.

The only thing they (most of the mods and admins, excepting Levi) are interested in is pursuing an agenda they have identified as "morally right", and they will burn anyone that crosses their mobile battle lines. The original purpose of the site has been lost entirely, and the only saving grace for the place is people like Bailywolf. The man is a fucking phenomenon. He can spin a compelling tale out of two straws and a bucket of paint. What I'd like to see is therpgsite getting more folks like him on board.

These people are idiots of the worst kind, idiots with a tiny, tiny modicum of power, as GMS has discovered. Let them drown themselves in their own bucket, I say, better to light a candle than howl at the dark.

The trick now is not only to do that, but make more people aware of just how badly wrong things have gotten over there. The wise and creative stay well out of such discussions on rpgnet, sadly I'm either too deficient in wisdom or too bloody minded to have followed my own advice, why not let them know they needn't fear repercussions over here.

Quote from: One Horse Town;552392Mate, if i banned people i didn't like, this place would have about 30 posters.

Maybe you should fuck off then.

The idea that idiot mods involved in any discussion can ban people with opposing views is repulsive.

Only a mod who didn't post in this thread should have considered the ban.

Yes, I agree with the significance of what's going on.  Its the Tangency Swine going directly to war with the RPG industry.

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Pundit is it possible to work out how much of an influence TBP has on purchasing habits as opposed to sites like this and having a loyal fan base?

I seem to remember you citing some numbers proving this site has more influence in the dim and distant past...