Quote from: John Morrow;552390Then you should have banned him there for that.  Did he post porn links after the warning?  Is he being banned for what he said or because you don't like him?



And once the moderators vote people off the island because they don't like someone, where does that lead?

Mate, if i banned people i didn't like, this place would have about 30 posters.

I want to state for the record that the only reason why I didn't ban BT outright was precisely because I messaged the Pundit about it before hand. His answer was clear and straightforward: it was our call, and OHT did the right thing. I stand 100% behind him on this one.

And John Morrow proves once again that there is no one so vile on this site that someone won't whine and cry fascism at their removal.

Quote from: Benoist;552393I want to state for the record that the only reason why I didn't ban BT outright was precisely because I messaged the Pundit about it before hand. His answer was clear and straightforward: it was our call, and OHT did the right thing. I stand 100% behind him on this one.

I understand Jadrax and Morrow's concern but even Free Speech does has limits and if you guys are comfortable with your decision then I am fine with it. Thanks for the clarification though.

Quote from: Sinister Brain;552078First time poster here (registered a while ago but hadn't posted anything as I was just reading and lurking).

Welcome to the adult swim.

Quote from: Sinister Brain;552078It's a seriously refreshing change of pace not being scared shitless to post in a controversial thread and actually speak your mind.

Yes. Yes, it is.

Quote from: One Horse Town;552386Sometimes, my good friend, freedom of speech or not, you really have to look at who you're sharing a camp-fire with.

Worth repeating.

Quote from: Ian Warner;552377Linky

Tough Justice is NOT unjustly praised (coming from someone that's probably heaped as much praise as anyone on it).

I posted in "Trouble Tickets" over at RPGnet that I, too, had noticed the steady thread-banning being leveled almost entirely at the anti-petition side of the argument; citing that as my reason for bowing out of RPGNet, despite the effort I'd put into contributing to the community since the successful appeal of my perma-ban.

It's obvious to me that several moderators, notably Kai Tave and Darren MacLennan were essentially arguing one side of the issue with red text, which means to me that it's official policy that somebody who disagrees is not welcome there.

I'm posting this here for only one reason:   So that when they suddenly announce that my perma-ban has been re-instated for some reason, I can point to this.

Quote from: J Arcane;552394And John Morrow proves once again that there is no one so vile on this site that someone won't whine and cry fascism at their removal.

What differentiates this site from most other RPG forums is the level to which is supports free speech and the test of support for free speech is the toleration of opinions that one doesn't like or even finds offensive, just as the test of support for democracy is the toleration of the other side winning an election.  It's easy to support free speech when you like what's being said and easy to support democracy when your side is winning elections.  It's hard to support those things when they aren't going your way.

Quote from: Benoist;552393I want to state for the record that the only reason why I didn't ban BT outright was precisely because I messaged the Pundit about it before hand. His answer was clear and straightforward: it was our call, and OHT did the right thing. I stand 100% behind him on this one.

What did you want to ban him for?  Because you asked him about speech and then supported the ban on the grounds that he was advocating sexual assault.  What was the opinion that he expressed that was ban-worthy, in your words?  I ask because this:

Quote from: Benoist;552371I can't believe the SOB actually said that. I mean we're all more or less in agreement that Maladicta indeed has an agenda and is going about her protest the wrong way. But going from there to say it's okay to call for rape and that "it'd do her some good and maybe she'd think twice before lying" that is NOT on. Not at all. Period.

....is a false characterization of what you asked him about and how he responded.  He may, in fact, hold that opinion and you could have asked him about that, and then as ban would make sense, but that's not what he said up to that point and I think you are putting words in his mouth to justify banning him.  Not cool.

EDIT - Retracted "dishonest", which I think is a false characterization of your comments.

John please accept my sincere apology for doing this, but I agree with you.


So with that, have I managed to leave anyone in the thread un pissed off at me, because that would be a shame, really,

Quote from: Aos;552411John please accept my sincere apology for doing this, but I agree with you.


So with that, have I managed to leave anyone in the thread un pissed off at me, because that would be a shame, really,

You never piss me off.  I'm in agreement with you about 90% of the time and the other remaining 10% I find you to be an interesting and engaging poster.

Quote from: GMSkarka;552404I posted in "Trouble Tickets" over at RPGnet that I, too, had noticed the steady thread-banning being leveled almost entirely at the anti-petition side of the argument; citing that as my reason for bowing out of RPGNet, despite the effort I'd put into contributing to the community since the successful appeal of my perma-ban.

It's obvious to me that several moderators, notably Kai Tave and Darren MacLennan were essentially arguing one side of the issue with red text, which means to me that it's official policy that somebody who disagrees is not welcome there.

I'm posting this here for only one reason:   So that when they suddenly announce that my perma-ban has been re-instated for some reason, I can point to this.

The only thing RPGnet has that this place hasn't (so far) is a tremendous creative trust. There's lots of creativity here of course, but a lot more over there, purely due to numbers I guess - no offence intended to anyone. Despite posting in this thread I really don't care about industry antics, edition wars, gossip, bitching or what have you. All I care about is the creativity.

That's why before I bowed out of the place myself, I set a very specific test for the moderators and the admins in my own trouble ticket, a test to find out what was more important to them, that rich creativity, gaming, or pushing sociopolitical agendas.

I did this because it took a long time for what was actually going on there to sink in, and when I finally copped it I couldn't believe it. Sure there were some dicks, but there are dicks everywhere. It couldn't be the case that the web's own centre for RPG discussion was that addled?

They failed that test with flying colours at every level, no doubt without even realising they were being tested, so I left it there.

So basically I don't see RPGnet having a big future ahead of it as the premier hub for the hobby. When the top is rotten, the rest has to come down sooner or later. As long as their top priority is by far and away pushing agendas, they will just push people away. Meanwhile I'm trying to dredge up a little creativity and get that ball rolling a bit faster.

Quote from: Benoist;552371I can't believe the SOB actually said that. I mean we're all more or less in agreement that Maladicta indeed has an agenda and is going about her protest the wrong way. But going from there to say it's okay to call for rape and that "it'd do her some good and maybe she'd think twice before lying" that is NOT on. Not at all. Period.

I agree 100%. I despise people like this Maladicta chick, but even I understand that is absolutely no license to condone or encourage, through action or speech, any form of real world violence of any kind. To actually type out and post something so retarded is an indication of someone who's input is not valuable enough to be considered a loss IMO.

Quote from: Tommy Brownell;552401Tough Justice is NOT unjustly praised (coming from someone that's probably heaped as much praise as anyone on it).

Nice of you to say: but I'm sure I can do better.