Nice troll there, Dick Wolf.

Quote from: jeff37923;558870Nice troll there, Dick Wolf.

Still all butthurt about how bad bards suck in 3e?  Don't take it out on me, I didn't make the game.  If I did, I assure you that they would be pretty awesome.

Quote from: Wolf, Richard;558873Still all butthurt about how bad bards suck in 3e?  Don't take it out on me, I didn't make the game.  If I did, I assure you that they would be pretty awesome.

Yup, troll.

There's a gigantic excluded middle between "Rapists always target women with sexually attractive clothing." and "Rape has nothing to do with sex."  The truth is in the middle.  Sometimes people can be so afraid of sending the wrong message, that they end up declaring things simply impossible, when, with all human behavior, there is a wide variety of psychological causes and effects.

If sexual urges can cause someone to murder a person or set fire to a building, it is possible that sexual urges can cause someone to sexually assault another.  That possibility shouldn't be ignored out of fear of victim shaming.

Ah... I had forgotten (mercifully? No... no, I think the concept is sound and I haven't read the blog post in specific to say if his handling is good or bad) the blog post.

so.. Yay?! Macho Women with Guns is still, officially, in the clear re:Our Ladies of Perpetual Outrage.

So I won't feel guilty for looking for a new copy (of the original, Why would I get a shoddy D20 knockoff?).

I think we should merge this thread with the Wizard/fighter thread and re-tittle the whole thing Asshole jerkoff textwall.

Quote from: Gib;558901I think we should merge this thread with the Wizard/fighter thread and re-tittle the whole thing Asshole jerkoff textwall.

Keep your chocolate out of my peanut butter!

Quote from: Gib;558901Asshole jerkoff textwall.

I'm almost there Gib.  Can you post a wall of text to finish me off?

Quote from: Ladybird;558856I don't know anything about Greg Porter, and truthfully I don't care. If he was as much of a shithead as Grim, I'd dislike him just as much. But I've never heard of him, say, statting up a rape monster, or casually dismissing people being threatened with assault.

I've got his space game, Slag!. Looks like a lot of fun.

No way!!  As far as I know, Greg Porter is great.  The original Macho Women With Guns is a great game that features sexy women as PCs but is in no way sexist.  The PCs in MWWG are cool and awesome, and I had a great time running it.  

has sexy women =/= sexist

The Slayer's Guide to Female Gamers, say, is a sexist piece of shit.  Also, Richard Tucholka made a rip-off game of MWWG called "Beach Bunny Bimbos with Blasters" that is also a sexist piece of shit.  (Amusing footnote: In the revised MWWG's edition, Greg Porter literally put "Richard Tucholka" as one of the monsters - as a worthless Midwest game designer with pitiful stats.)  

Quote from: Spike;558832Being a BTRC fan (I own CORPS, and used to own Timelords... and some sort of Cyberpunk themed game from them too), I just found it curious that the hate stopped with Mongoose/Desborough.

Honestly, being an inoffensive satire is NOT a defense against these sorts of attacks... as evidenced by the original Dickwolf outrage (you know: Poking fun at quests that have you rescuing five dudes out of dozens in horrible monster-slavery... in order to point out how fucked up that really is).

I haven't followed the original thread regarding Desborough, so I wouldn't know about that.  However, I wouldn't call the original MWWG "inoffensive".  Satire, in my opinion, should be offensive.  It's just offensive in a cool way, as opposed to suggesting that rape is an awesome plot twist to bring into your RPG play.

Quote from: Gib;558901Asshole jerkoff textwall.

This should be a location on The Metal Earth.

Quote from: jhkim;558907However, I wouldn't call the original MWWG "inoffensive".  Satire, in my opinion, should be offensive.  It's just offensive in a cool way, as opposed to suggesting that rape is an awesome plot twist to bring into your RPG play.

Not going to get into a semantics argument over the proper use or misuse of the word offensive.

Also: I thought Desborough's blog post was about fiction in general, not gaming plots?  

The former I'll argue for (relucantly ) all day, while the later I'd agree is something that needs far too many caveats and conditions to begin utility vs just squick for RPGs.

Quote from: deadDMwalking;558906I'm almost there Gib.  Can you post a wall of text to finish me off?

 And the LORD called unto Moses, and spake unto him out of the tabernacle of the congregation, saying,
2: Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man of you bring an offering unto the LORD, ye shall bring your offering of the cattle, even of the herd, and of the flock.
3: If his offering be a burnt sacrifice of the herd, let him offer a male without blemish: he shall offer it of his own voluntary will at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation before the LORD.
4: And he shall put his hand upon the head of the burnt offering; and it shall be accepted for him to make atonement for him.
5: And he shall kill the bullock before the LORD: and the priests, Aaron's sons, shall bring the blood, and sprinkle the blood round about upon the altar that is by the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.
6: And he shall flay the burnt offering, and cut it into his pieces.
7: And the sons of Aaron the priest shall put fire upon the altar, and lay the wood in order upon the fire:
8: And the priests, Aaron's sons, shall lay the parts, the head, and the fat, in order upon the wood that is on the fire which is upon the altar:
9: But his inwards and his legs shall he wash in water: and the priest shall burn all on the altar, to be a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD.
10: And if his offering be of the flocks, namely, of the sheep, or of the goats, for a burnt sacrifice; he shall bring it a male without blemish.
11: And he shall kill it on the side of the altar northward before the LORD: and the priests, Aaron's sons, shall sprinkle his blood round about upon the altar.
12: And he shall cut it into his pieces, with his head and his fat: and the priest shall lay them in order on the wood that is on the fire which is upon the altar:
13: But he shall wash the inwards and the legs with water: and the priest shall bring it all, and burn it upon the altar: it is a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD.
14: And if the burnt sacrifice for his offering to the LORD be of fowls, then he shall bring his offering of turtledoves, or of young pigeons.
15: And the priest shall bring it unto the altar, and wring off his head, and burn it on the altar; and the blood thereof shall be wrung out at the side of the altar:
16: And he shall pluck away his crop with his feathers, and cast it beside the altar on the east part, by the place of the ashes:
17: And he shall cleave it with the wings thereof, but shall not divide it asunder: and the priest shall burn it upon the altar, upon the wood that is upon the fire: it is a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD.

Quote from: J Arcane;558858The Goons at Something Awful dug up a recent post by Grim about the Tomb Raider trailer in which he suggested that "rape is an awesome plot device."

For sure it was in "Alien", even if John Hurt might disagree...

Quote from: Gib;558901I think we should merge this thread with the Wizard/fighter thread and re-tittle the whole thing Asshole jerkoff textwall.

"You are posting in a troll thread."

No u!