Quote from: Black Vulmea;558677Some days I just want to pour gasoline over my computer and set it on fire.

Forums are really starting to depress the fuck out of me, and I've been back to posting and reading for just over a month. That seems to be about my limit for the last couple of years.

Quote from: Gib;558688Forums are really starting to depress the fuck out of me, and I've been back to posting and reading for just over a month. That seems to be about my limit for the last couple of years.

I hope not Gib,  we can't just let the inmates run the asylum without a fight.

Bunch of dumbass White Knights here who refuse to accept common sense.



Antecedents of sexual victimization: factors discriminating victims from nonvictims.

Synovitz LB, Byrne TJ., J Am Coll Health. Jan;46(4):151-8. (1998)

Partial abstract:


The variables found to be related to women's being sexually victimized were (a) number of different lifetime sexual partners, (b) provocative dress, and (c) alcohol use.

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An Examination of Date Rape, Victim Dress, and Perceiver Variables Within the Context of Attribution Theory

Workman JE, Freeburg EW., Sex Roles, Volume 41, Numbers 3-4, 261-277 (1995)

This study found in part that the way a woman choose to dress is sometimes taken as a statement about her character including vulnerability, desire and/or willingness to have sex and provocation of males which consequently affects the likelihood of rape, including date rape.
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The effects of clothing and dyad sex composition on perceptions of sexual intent: Do women and men evaluate these cues differently.

Abbey, A., Cozzarelli, C., McLaughlin, K., & Harnish, R. J. (1987) Journal of Applied Social Psychology, 17, 108–126.

Partial abstract:


A laboratory study was conducted in which subjects viewed a photograph of two students in a classroom. As predicted, male subjects rated female targets as more sexy and seductive than did female subjects. Also as predicted, female targets who wore revealing clothing were rated as more sexy and seductive than those wearing nonrevealing clothing. Female targets were rated higher on sexual traits regardless of the gender of their partner.

The study went on to infer that provocative dress can lead to an increased chance of date or spousal rape in some situations (primarily spousal and/or date rape).

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http://www.brandonsun.com/breaking-news/rape-victim-inviting-so-no-jail--rape-victim-inviting-so-no-jail-116801578.html?viewAllComments=y

A convicted rapist will not go to jail because a Manitoba judge says the victim sent signals that "sex was in the air" through her suggestive attire and flirtatious conduct on the night of the attack.

Quote from: Black Vulmea;558677Some days I just want to pour gasoline over my computer and set it on fire.

Oh god, please.

Good stats 1989. you do know that rape has differing definitions? Most of which I don't agree with. My issue is be "very" careful with said definitions.  Over and out.  Marley is very uncomfortable talking about this subject, fair warning. But I have to say this clear enough for you and the monkeys.  Date Rape is a whole other facet of straight rape but it all means the same.  Please make me wrong 1989. I seriously want to be wrong,  help me dude.

Quote from: Marleycat;558709Good stats 1989. you do know that rape has differing definitions? Most of which I don't agree with. My issue is be "very" careful with said definitions.  Over and out.  Marley is very uncomfortable talking about this subject, fair warning. But I have to say this clear enough for you and the monkeys.  Date Rape is a whole other facet of straight rape but it all means the same.  Please make me wrong 1989. I seriously want to be wrong,  help me dude.

I suspect your hope is misplaced, for I've never heard a speech prefaced with a cry of "white knight" that was not then followed by verbiage most abominable.

Never take stock in a man who decries chivalry and honor, for it will hold no value.

Quote from: J Arcane;558711I suspect your hope is misplaced, for I've never heard a speech prefaced with a cry of "white knight" that was not then followed by verbiage most abominable.

Never take stock in a man who decries chivalry and honor, for it will hold no value.

Totally confused.  You calling me a "white knight"?

Quote from: Marleycat;558712Totally confused.  You calling me a "white knight"?

No. I've been reading too much Shakespeare and am feeling wordy. My apologies.

What I mean in plainer English is that I've never seen anyone who accused someone of being a white knight who wasn't a colossal jackass.

Especially not one who capitalized the phrase.

Quote from: 1989;558694A laboratory study was conducted in which subjects viewed a photograph of two students in a classroom. As predicted, male subjects rated female targets as more sexy and seductive than did female subjects. Also as predicted, female targets who wore revealing clothing were rated as more sexy and seductive than those wearing nonrevealing clothing. Female targets were rated higher on sexual traits regardless of the gender of their partner.

The study went on to infer that provocative dress can lead to an increased chance of date or spousal rape in some situations (primarily spousal and/or date rape).

Are you seriously that simple or do you just play it on the internet. You find some toilet paper which makes the bold claim that men find women in sexy clothes more sexy, and then leaps from that masterpiece of scientific deduction to "which therefore makes them more likely to be raped" with exactly zero cause or reason. None.

Not one.

Here's betting that particular undergrad weekend project wasn't peer reviewed. Especially since it flies in the face of the actual research. Actually I think it was cited in a few papers on the subject of "Women and mental disorders".

Quote from: 1989;558694A convicted rapist will not go to jail because a Manitoba judge says the victim sent signals that "sex was in the air" through her suggestive attire and flirtatious conduct on the night of the attack.

You want me to link to about five million cases of insane judges? We can start with that guy that managed to keep his job for years despite openly admitting he consulted invisible dwarves to help him decide his cases.

Isn't the whole dress & appearance thing kind of a red herring, statistically?  Even if all the "tell me I was asking for it" stuff is wrongheaded and misses the point isn't it better to just leave it alone?  It's not the sorta argument that's gonna go anywhere.

The real elephant in the room is alcohol use, over 50% on both sides of the equation.

Quote from: J Arcane;558716No. I've been reading too much Shakespeare and am feeling wordy. My apologies.

What I mean in plainer English is that I've never seen anyone who accused someone of being a white knight who wasn't a colossal jackass.

Especially not one who capitalized the phrase.

Oh, cool.  I have CP so typing on a phone or computer isn't my strength.

Quote from: Alathon;558721Isn't the whole dress & appearance thing kind of a red herring, statistically?  Even if all the "tell me I was asking for it" stuff is wrongheaded and misses the point isn't it better to just leave it alone?  It's not the sorta argument that's gonna go anywhere.

The real elephant in the room is alcohol use, over 50% on both sides of the equation.

Of course, we girls strive to be attractive, don't you do the same? Why are you saying we must do the "Taliban"thing? Or it's an excuse for rape? Seriously?

Quote from: Black Vulmea;558677Some days I just want to pour gasoline over my computer and set it on fire.

Some men just want to watch the Internet burn.

JG

Quote from: James Gillen;558725Some men just want to watch the Internet burn.

JG

Thank God. JG is here, he is my tylanol for the migrane that is building because of this sillyness. Sorry for the pressure James, but you can take it.

Quote from: Marleycat;558724Of course, we girls strive to be attractive, don't you do the same? Why are you saying we must do the "Taliban"thing? Or it's an excuse for rape? Seriously?

No, I'm saying that much of the conversation around attire and rape is disingenuous, and it's mostly dumb to talk about because it's 99% irrelevant to the topic of rape.  There are bigger fish to fry.

Anyone who claims that a woman dressing like a slut was "asking for it" is full of shit, doesn't know what "asking for it" means or more likely is deliberately trolling.

It is correct to claim that dressing sexily has a measurable impact on mens expectations of what women want.  In this context, it's really not worth discussing though because it always gets re-interpreted into "you're saying she deserved it!  slut shaming! slut shaming!".  And it's such a small part of the equation compared to big things like the impact of alcohol use, it's better to just leave attire the hell alone.