The War Against Desborough and Mongoose Publishing

B.T. · June 24, 2012, 09:15:48 AM

Quote from: Ladybird;552255Exactly why is the bold section relevant? It's exactly this sort of behaviour that "gamers" get accused of.

It's relevant because it's true. I'm betting that Maladicta is an overweight white woman who has had trouble fitting in all her life, so she was naturally attracted to progressive politics. ("Boys don't like me? It's not because I'm fat, it's The Patriarchy!"). She gets to complain about her unsatisfying life, blame her failures on other people, tear down her betters, and get peer approval while she's at it. It's a dream job for a catty shrew.

Killfuck Soulshitter · June 24, 2012, 09:35:00 AM

Quote from: B.T.;552276It's relevant because it's true. I'm betting that Maladicta is an overweight white woman who has had trouble fitting in all her life, so she was naturally attracted to progressive politics. ("Boys don't like me? It's not because I'm fat, it's The Patriarchy!"). She gets to complain about her unsatisfying life, blame her failures on other people, tear down her betters, and get peer approval while she's at it. It's a dream job for a catty shrew.

Exactly.

One Horse Town · June 24, 2012, 09:47:39 AM

Quote from: Bastetson;552268It looks like a few posters in this thread have the idea that this mess started on the Purple and then got SA and others involved.

That is incorrect.

This started at SA's grognards.txt by Newfork (Goon) on Jun 13th. (http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3098558&userid=184238&perpage=40&pagenumber=2#post404603848
They have been watching GRIM's blog and work (among others) for awhile and pounced when they saw a chance to cause some drama.

It was brought over to the Tang of Purple by Ettin (Ettin at Purple and SA- Goon). (no link due Purple log in needed).
That was where the Maladicta stuff started. Dogpile on Mongoose ensues. Mongoose Matt tries (and fumbles) a response while figuring out whats going on. No one notices GRIM wrote a couple of things for Cubicle 7 (among others), so C7 walks away clean.

It is then taken to Twitter by Tablehop (Tablehop at Purple; Mikan at SA - Goon). (https://twitter.com/tablehop/status/215316382210981888)

Twitter leads over to Google Plus where Gareth-Michael Skarka (aka GMS) and Sarah Darkmagic had words. Her husband (aka Sir Whiteknight) couldn't stand the idea of any one disagreeing with her and uses a bullet metaphor in this thread https://plus.google.com/116302400822653221646/posts/Q8vr7YkXEnm about GMS and has another message in the thread with "buy you a round" at Gencon. GMS kinda worried he might be assaulted at Gencon. Mr Darkmagic calls GMS a coward on twitter (https://twitter.com/FTHurley/status/215611863214469121) for not wanting a "discussion" with him at Gencon. He continues on with this message. https://plus.google.com/111899461513439407504/posts/aaZ1vF6FAsU. GMS reiterates his position https://plus.google.com/116302400822653221646/posts/268UqfidNir on Friday and it is seen as a victory by the Darkmagics. Still no apology from Sir Whiteknight on his "threats".

And back to Purple where Ettin (Goon) gets permission by the mods to open a new thread http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?632637-Mongoose-and-reactions(now two threads http://forum.rpg.netshowthread.php?632966-Mongoose-and-reactions-part-two) in TTO about the shit he brought there. "Words of wisdom" from Ettin "This is quite a clusterfuck isn't it?" . No, Ettin, you and your goon friends made this clusterfuck. A better and more mature approach would have been to send emails to the companies involved and discussed your concerns with them hiring GRIM privately. And then, and only then, if you were unsatisfied with their response, start spreading GRIM's blog post to the nets for more visibility and a possible boycott of those companies.

So, as you see, it was started and spread by the Goons in grognards.txt. "Goons, Goons all the way down!"

And that's the mess we see now. Mongoose Publishing's reputation damaged, lots of Purple posters banned, and a possible assault at Gencon.

Personal Note: Rape and Rape culture is bad, m'kay. Rape should only be used with care in a rpg campaign/session if everyone involved is comfortable with it being used as a plot device. I don't know GRIM or have any of his works and I don't care to. I will continue to support and buy Mongoose products.

I told them it was a goon-rush (among other things) in the original thread on tbp, but no-one was bothered.

B.T. · June 24, 2012, 10:09:53 AM

Quote from: Ladybird;552267Ah, of course. It's her fault that you had to bring her appearance into this.

There are plenty of words we can go over here, things that she has actually said and done. We don't need to drag ourselves down into petty personal insults.

Stop defending this bitch. She's a crazy, lying, man-hating attention whore. That people on the Internet said "huhuhu Imma rape u" doesn't change anything. For fuck's sake, I post on another forum where one poster constantly threatens to rape and murder other people in between sending them gay scat porn. IT'S THE INTERNET, GET OVER IT.

Ghost Whistler · June 24, 2012, 10:10:45 AM

Quote from: B.T.;552276It's relevant because it's true. I'm betting that Maladicta is an overweight white woman who has had trouble fitting in all her life, so she was naturally attracted to progressive politics. ("Boys don't like me? It's not because I'm fat, it's The Patriarchy!"). She gets to complain about her unsatisfying life, blame her failures on other people, tear down her betters, and get peer approval while she's at it. It's a dream job for a catty shrew.

That's a contemptible statement.

The Traveller · June 24, 2012, 10:11:11 AM

Quote from: One Horse Town;552280I told them it was a goon-rush (among other things) in the original thread on tbp, but no-one was bothered.

Is that like trolling or what.

Ghost Whistler · June 24, 2012, 10:17:21 AM

Quote from: Bastetson;552268Twitter leads over to Google Plus where Gareth-Michael Skarka (aka GMS) and Sarah Darkmagic had words. Her husband (aka Sir Whiteknight) couldn't stand the idea of any one disagreeing with her and uses a bullet metaphor in this thread https://plus.google.com/116302400822653221646/posts/Q8vr7YkXEnm about GMS and has another message in the thread with "buy you a round" at Gencon. GMS kinda worried he might be assaulted at Gencon. Mr Darkmagic calls GMS a coward on twitter (https://twitter.com/FTHurley/status/215611863214469121) for not wanting a "discussion" with him at Gencon. He continues on with this message. https://plus.google.com/111899461513439407504/posts/aaZ1vF6FAsU. GMS reiterates his position https://plus.google.com/116302400822653221646/posts/268UqfidNir on Friday and it is seen as a victory by the Darkmagics. Still no apology from Sir Whiteknight on his "threats".

I must say that I can't abide people that first don't like what you say and then pretend to be all pally.

I must also say that reading that first link feels like stepping into an existing discussion in that it doesn't show the totality. the first post is GMS kicking off.

Sinister Brain · June 24, 2012, 10:19:10 AM

Quote from: The Traveller;552283Is that like trolling or what.

Yeah, it's basically a coordinated attack.

It's ironic really because in the past when they'd Goon rush some poor slob they used to post in the thread - "Time to board the Rapetrain!" That was also quite the common phrase in Goodfleet when they'd nail newbs mining.
So there you go, let's see if we can talk about the semantics of that.

Ian Warner · June 24, 2012, 10:29:39 AM

Quote from: jeff37923;551903If anyone knows how to get in contact with James Desborough or Matthew Sprange, I'd like to hear their side of the story on this (without them having to worry about being banned for speaking their minds).

I would but I'm worried for his health if he gets into any more of this insanity.

B.T. · June 24, 2012, 10:34:44 AM

Quote from: Sinister Brain;552286Yeah, it's basically a coordinated attack.

It's ironic really because in the past when they'd Goon rush some poor slob they used to post in the thread - "Time to board the Rapetrain!" That was also quite the common phrase in Goodfleet when they'd nail newbs mining.
So there you go, let's see if we can talk about the semantics of that.

SA turned from "socially awkward nerds" to "socially awkward Marxist social justice crusaders" awhile back. Chances are that you'd get probated for reinforcing rape culture for using a term like "rapetrain" nowadays.

Ghost Whistler · June 24, 2012, 10:37:24 AM

Quote from: Ian Warner;552287I would but I'm worried for his health if he gets into any more of this insanity.

Hasn't the former already posted on this very thread?

Sinister Brain · June 24, 2012, 11:10:45 AM

Quote from: B.T.;552289SA turned from "socially awkward nerds" to "socially awkward Marxist social justice crusaders" awhile back. Chances are that you'd get probated for reinforcing rape culture for using a term like "rapetrain" nowadays.

How very progressive of them. Thankfully I stopped posting over there a long time ago.

Oh how the butthurt have fallen.

J Arcane · June 24, 2012, 11:19:54 AM

You know, back when I was still a regular at TBP, we only had a couple of assholes from SA, and I warned people about them, loudly and regularly, because I knew what fucking bullshit behavior they'd bring with them, and I never ceased to be proven right.

Now see what you get for not listening to me?

Aos · June 24, 2012, 11:43:10 AM

So am I a troll or have I been successfully trolled?
Not sure I care, really, because when it comes down to it, no matter how you slice it, we're in a horrible hobby full of horrible people.
And I'm one of them.

Edit: but whatever, I didn't troll anyone in this thread, and I took my stand on a couple of basic points that thought were being lost in the huff. I'm going to stand buy those points, because to do otherwise, no matter how much I'd like to get a long with everyone would be cowardly. However, Kanada will be returning shortly.

J Arcane · June 24, 2012, 11:43:49 AM

Quote from: Aos;552294So am I a troll or have I been successfully trolled?
Not sure I care, really, because when it comes down to it, no matter how you slice it, we're in a horrible hobby full of horrible people.
And I'm one of them.

It seems like we're all of us being trolled by SA and James.