Quote from: jhkim on March 01, 2024, 09:25:17 PM

Quote from: Domina on March 01, 2024, 03:49:10 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on February 29, 2024, 11:00:25 PM
I mean, you have a good point. Perhaps we should just make all games Latino in the future. Anyone can play them.

How do you make a game latino? What does that mean?

I have no idea what pawsplay meant, but I would have take that to mean games created in Latin America. (As I've seen it used, "Latin America" tends to include Brazil though "Hispanic America" doesn't.) Most Spanish-language RPGs are from Spain, like Aquelarre or Capitan Alatriste, and they wouldn't count as Latino. But it would include, say, the Crepúsculo RPG produced in Brazil.

In general, games generally do have a style for the culture they're created in. So, say, I'd still call Ryuutama a Japanese RPG -- including the English translation of it. It's not the language, it's the culture.

Reminder: I'm the world's best known and most successful Latin American TTRPG designer.

Quote from: RPGPundit on March 02, 2024, 02:26:15 PM

Quote from: Domina on March 01, 2024, 03:49:10 PM
How do you make a game latino? What does that mean?

If you're WotC, it means having third-generation latinos who don't speak any Spanish and never left the USA food/travel-blogging about arepas and peasants in sombreros named Rogelio.

This sounds like a reference to earlier discussion of Mario Ortegón, author of "The Fiend of Hollow Mine" adventure in the Radiant Citadel anthology - which does picture a peasant named Serapio. But Ortegón is from Mexico and lives in Monterrey, Nuevo León. He also wrote for the Golden Vault anthology.

I know you're in Uruguay and designing too, but Ortegón is equally Latin American. You might not like his work, but he's still Latin American.

None of this bullshit will ever go away until the bulk of humanity stops giving a fuck about the immutable characteristics of content creators.

The correct answer is we need a Parallel RPG hobby.

AKA, our own games, our own conventions and our own publishers.

All the leftist freaks can enjoy their retardation, hopefully culminating in their mass suicide to free Gaza from trans-climate change.

The rest of us can party without them.

And when they scream "White Supremacist Nazi Bigot!!!", the correct answer is to smile and say "thank you for noticing!"

Because we don't need them.

Not as players.

Not as game designers.

Not as publishers.

Not as convention hosts.

We can easily replace them in every aspect of the hobby...and beyond.

Of course the problem is that companies need 'them' as customers.  huh...giant ants...the untapped gaming market!

Quote from: RPGPundit on March 02, 2024, 02:26:59 PM

Quote from: jhkim on March 01, 2024, 09:25:17 PM

Quote from: Domina on March 01, 2024, 03:49:10 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on February 29, 2024, 11:00:25 PM
I mean, you have a good point. Perhaps we should just make all games Latino in the future. Anyone can play them.

How do you make a game latino? What does that mean?

I have no idea what pawsplay meant, but I would have take that to mean games created in Latin America. (As I've seen it used, "Latin America" tends to include Brazil though "Hispanic America" doesn't.) Most Spanish-language RPGs are from Spain, like Aquelarre or Capitan Alatriste, and they wouldn't count as Latino. But it would include, say, the Crepúsculo RPG produced in Brazil.

In general, games generally do have a style for the culture they're created in. So, say, I'd still call Ryuutama a Japanese RPG -- including the English translation of it. It's not the language, it's the culture.

Reminder: I'm the world's best known and most successful Latin American TTRPG designer.

I've never seen you wear a sombrero, eat a taco, or wear a magic backpack. Frankly I doubt you're truly Latinx.

Quote from: Grognard GM on March 03, 2024, 01:33:01 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on March 02, 2024, 02:26:59 PM

Quote from: jhkim on March 01, 2024, 09:25:17 PM

Quote from: Domina on March 01, 2024, 03:49:10 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on February 29, 2024, 11:00:25 PM
I mean, you have a good point. Perhaps we should just make all games Latino in the future. Anyone can play them.

How do you make a game latino? What does that mean?

I have no idea what pawsplay meant, but I would have take that to mean games created in Latin America. (As I've seen it used, "Latin America" tends to include Brazil though "Hispanic America" doesn't.) Most Spanish-language RPGs are from Spain, like Aquelarre or Capitan Alatriste, and they wouldn't count as Latino. But it would include, say, the Crepúsculo RPG produced in Brazil.

In general, games generally do have a style for the culture they're created in. So, say, I'd still call Ryuutama a Japanese RPG -- including the English translation of it. It's not the language, it's the culture.

Reminder: I'm the world's best known and most successful Latin American TTRPG designer.

I've never seen you wear a sombrero, eat a taco, or wear a magic backpack. Frankly I doubt you're truly Latinx.

There are different kinds of Latinos. There's the kind that eat tacos and wear sombreros, and then there's the ones who actually win at soccer.

Quote from: RPGPundit on March 03, 2024, 07:52:01 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on March 03, 2024, 01:33:01 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on March 02, 2024, 02:26:59 PM

Quote from: jhkim on March 01, 2024, 09:25:17 PM

Quote from: Domina on March 01, 2024, 03:49:10 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on February 29, 2024, 11:00:25 PM
I mean, you have a good point. Perhaps we should just make all games Latino in the future. Anyone can play them.

How do you make a game latino? What does that mean?

I have no idea what pawsplay meant, but I would have take that to mean games created in Latin America. (As I've seen it used, "Latin America" tends to include Brazil though "Hispanic America" doesn't.) Most Spanish-language RPGs are from Spain, like Aquelarre or Capitan Alatriste, and they wouldn't count as Latino. But it would include, say, the Crepúsculo RPG produced in Brazil.

In general, games generally do have a style for the culture they're created in. So, say, I'd still call Ryuutama a Japanese RPG -- including the English translation of it. It's not the language, it's the culture.

Reminder: I'm the world's best known and most successful Latin American TTRPG designer.

I've never seen you wear a sombrero, eat a taco, or wear a magic backpack. Frankly I doubt you're truly Latinx.

There are different kinds of Latinos. There's the kind that eat tacos and wear sombreros, and then there's the ones who actually win at soccer.

So we're going to need a video of you winning at Soccer.

Smoking your pipe, like you're an athlete from the 1920's.

Quote from: RPGPundit on March 03, 2024, 07:52:01 PM
There are different kinds of Latinos. There's the kind that eat tacos and wear sombreros, and then there's the ones who actually win at soccer.

Technically, Brazilians aren't Latinos.

Quote from: yosemitemike on March 04, 2024, 03:37:58 AM
Technically, Brazilians aren't Latinos.

Technically, neither are Mayans or Aztecs -- but I bet these "Latinx" fantasy games are ostensibly based almost entirely on those cultures.

Quote from: Zalman on March 04, 2024, 07:24:21 AM

Quote from: yosemitemike on March 04, 2024, 03:37:58 AM
Technically, Brazilians aren't Latinos.

Technically, neither are Mayans or Aztecs -- but I bet these "Latinx" fantasy games are ostensibly based almost entirely on those cultures.

Every Mexican game I have found is based on them.  I was making a joke about Uruguay not being able to beat Brazil for the World Cup since 1950 and it being considered a miracle back then.

Quote from: yosemitemike on March 04, 2024, 07:57:58 AM
Every Mexican game I have found is based on them.  I was making a joke about Uruguay not being able to beat Brazil for the World Cup since 1950 and it being considered a miracle back then.

Ha, good burn!

But yeah, ironic isn't it that companies want to hire only descendants of the colonialists that conquered the civilizations being represented. I can't wait for one of their own to figure out they need to be hiring actual pure Mayan game designers.

Quote from: Zalman on March 04, 2024, 08:47:54 AM
Ha, good burn!

But yeah, ironic isn't it that companies want to hire only descendants of the colonialists that conquered the civilizations being represented. I can't wait for one of their own to figure out they need to be hiring actual pure Mayan game designers.

It's hilarious how many of these latinx activist types act like Spanish is their indigenous language and not a European colonial language imposed by force along with other aspects of Spanish culture like Catholicism. 

Yeah. A peeve of mine is how they like to lionize the Aztecs as poor misunderstood Latinos, when they were in fact genocidal oppressors little different than the bloodthirsty conquistadors who supplanted them. Cultures like the Tlaxcalans, who helped Cortez overthrow the Aztecs and became vassals of the Spanish crown, are erased from the historical record despite being instrumental in the conquest. Cortez would have failed without their tens of thousands of soldiers helping him, but people act like his few hundred puny soldiers could defeat tens of thousands of Aztec warriors by themselves. Not to mention the extremely convenient plagues that wiped out 90% of the indigenous population. If it wasn't for those plagues, then the Americas simply couldn't be colonized at scale. At best, there'd be a tiny minority of Europeans in a few places like what's seen in the Old World colonies.

Quote from: Zalman on March 04, 2024, 08:47:54 AM

Quote from: yosemitemike on March 04, 2024, 07:57:58 AM
Every Mexican game I have found is based on them.  I was making a joke about Uruguay not being able to beat Brazil for the World Cup since 1950 and it being considered a miracle back then.

Ha, good burn!

But yeah, ironic isn't it that companies want to hire only descendants of the colonialists that conquered the civilizations being represented. I can't wait for one of their own to figure out they need to be hiring actual pure Mayan game designers.

After 500+ years of interbreeding there's no such thing.

But I can see the progressives enacting the "one drop" rule.