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The Toxic Moral Purity Spiral Among Role-Playing Game Developers

Started by Anselyn, February 29, 2024, 06:03:58 PM

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zer0th

Quote from: yosemitemike on March 01, 2024, 02:55:23 AM
So what, exactly, would make a game a latino game anyway?  All the characters are named things like Manuel y Miguel Vasquez Sanchez Garcia*?  Dora the Explorer Spanish insertado aleatoriamente?  No gringos allowed disclaimer?  It comes with a taco? 

*By the way, this is a real name.  Spaniards have long ass names.

As it is of common practice, I'd like to exclude us Brazilians from the Latino game (as we exclude ourselves from the Latino tag in general) and have our own game.

Corolinth

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 01, 2024, 04:35:18 AM
Quote from: yosemitemike on March 01, 2024, 02:55:23 AM
So what, exactly, would make a game a latino game anyway?  All the characters are named things like Manuel y Miguel Vasquez Sanchez Garcia*?  Dora the Explorer Spanish insertado aleatoriamente?  No gringos allowed disclaimer?  It comes with a taco? 

*By the way, this is a real name.  Spaniards have long ass names.

Instead of Yuan-Ti tienes Juan-Ti.

Huh. Diversity really is our strength.

hedgehobbit

I think there's been a growing awareness that there may be some individuals who have significant mental health issues who, particularly if white, may obsess over identity issues and adopt queer or trans identities as this affords them minority status.

That's a bold statement. Even though most of us know that it's true. To be fair though, declaring yourself bisexual or trans doesn't require that you actually do anything or change anything about your life. So there is no downside to doing it.

There was a video going around a few months ago when a bunch of men showed up to an "All Woman" tech job fair. All the feminists were mad that the companies accepted the job applications but all the comments where how hiring a fake transwoman is a win-win. The company gets a checkmark and also gets an employee that can actually do the job.

rytrasmi

This article brings a lot of observations into a cohesive whole.

It makes be think that perhaps it's best to attack the root: people with self centered personalities. Attacking wokeness, mental disorders, gender stuff, etc is easily repelled by cries of bigot, white suprematist, etc. It's much harder to defend self centeredness, especially for people who claim to be inclusive.
The worms crawl in and the worms crawl out
The ones that crawl in are lean and thin
The ones that crawl out are fat and stout
Your eyes fall in and your teeth fall out
Your brains come tumbling down your snout
Be merry my friends
Be merry

Exploderwizard

Quote from: Corolinth on February 29, 2024, 10:11:55 PM
There's an awful lot of caveats, handwringing, and to-be-sure for what was otherwise a compelling essay.

He also doesn't connect the dots all the way. The entire cancel culture craze isn't caving to the woke mob, it's using the woke mob as an excuse to fire people for ideological and political reasons that would otherwise be unacceptable. "Well we know we can't fire Joe for disagreeing with us politically, but now that we've got this concerned citizen letter from an anonymous activist, we can claim that Joe's opinions are hurting the company's PR image."

Yes there are other dots not being connected, such as the financial pressure by giants such as Blackrock, Vanguard, & State Street who are usually major shareholders of bigger game companies putting the DEI requirements on these companies, not caring how much it hurts their bottom line because the agenda to destroy Western culture is more important to them than making money. We have all heard the term ' Too big to fail'. When it comes to taking financial losses in order to enable a political agenda, these companies are TOO BIG TO CARE. Oh well we just lost 300 million dollars in the rpg industry. Small price to pay for another wrecking ball used in the downfall of Western culture.
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yosemitemike

Quote from: zer0th on March 01, 2024, 07:58:11 AM
As it is of common practice, I'd like to exclude us Brazilians from the Latino game (as we exclude ourselves from the Latino tag in general) and have our own game.

That version would be the same exceto with random Portuguese instead of Spanish and Rodrigues would end with an s.
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Domina

Quote from: pawsplay on February 29, 2024, 11:00:25 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 29, 2024, 06:41:57 PM
Now, I don't pretend to speak for anybody but... Can someone please explain to me how assuming that I for being Latino have or can have a different way to play elfgames than whitey, blacks, asians, etc isn't biological essentialism and racism?

I mean, you have a good point. Perhaps we should just make all games Latino in the future. Anyone can play them.

How do you make a game latino? What does that mean?

rytrasmi

Quote from: Domina on March 01, 2024, 03:49:10 PM
Quote from: pawsplay on February 29, 2024, 11:00:25 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 29, 2024, 06:41:57 PM
Now, I don't pretend to speak for anybody but... Can someone please explain to me how assuming that I for being Latino have or can have a different way to play elfgames than whitey, blacks, asians, etc isn't biological essentialism and racism?

I mean, you have a good point. Perhaps we should just make all games Latino in the future. Anyone can play them.

How do you make a game latino? What does that mean?
Easy! Hire some latinxs*, who will know all about latinx culture**, and then play a session of D&D with them so they know how all roleplaying games work***, and then turn them loose let their creative juices flow! Bonus points if you order some authentic latinx cuisine for the table!

* sry, forgive me
** they're a minority, so their culture is a monolith
*** 2 hours generating characters, 1 hour backstory and aspirations, and 1 hour wandering around renaissance disneyland on a "quest"
The worms crawl in and the worms crawl out
The ones that crawl in are lean and thin
The ones that crawl out are fat and stout
Your eyes fall in and your teeth fall out
Your brains come tumbling down your snout
Be merry my friends
Be merry

jhkim

Quote from: Domina on March 01, 2024, 03:49:10 PM
Quote from: pawsplay on February 29, 2024, 11:00:25 PM
I mean, you have a good point. Perhaps we should just make all games Latino in the future. Anyone can play them.

How do you make a game latino? What does that mean?

I have no idea what pawsplay meant, but I would have take that to mean games created in Latin America. (As I've seen it used, "Latin America" tends to include Brazil though "Hispanic America" doesn't.) Most Spanish-language RPGs are from Spain, like Aquelarre or Capitan Alatriste, and they wouldn't count as Latino. But it would include, say, the Crepúsculo RPG produced in Brazil.

In general, games generally do have a style for the culture they're created in. So, say, I'd still call Ryuutama a Japanese RPG -- including the English translation of it. It's not the language, it's the culture.

Chris24601

Quote from: Domina on March 01, 2024, 03:49:10 PM
Quote from: pawsplay on February 29, 2024, 11:00:25 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 29, 2024, 06:41:57 PM
Now, I don't pretend to speak for anybody but... Can someone please explain to me how assuming that I for being Latino have or can have a different way to play elfgames than whitey, blacks, asians, etc isn't biological essentialism and racism?

I mean, you have a good point. Perhaps we should just make all games Latino in the future. Anyone can play them.

How do you make a game latino? What does that mean?
I'm sure she/he/it doesn't know. They were just spouting the various woke shibboleths and expecting the audience to behave like they do at places like TBP; clapping like retarded seals because the woke mantras emerged from the keyboard of a self-professed mentally-ill person of basically the exact same kind as this article is about.

Persimmon

In related news, check out the gender of the sample PC in the preview of the new Zweihander character sheet from Danny Fox, everyone's favorite virtue signaler:https://www.rascal.news/zweihander-rpg-returns-for-the-reforged-edition-on-kickstarter/

Skullking

Quote from: Persimmon on March 02, 2024, 10:22:30 AM
In related news, check out the gender of the sample PC in the preview of the new Zweihander character sheet from Danny Fox, everyone's favorite virtue signaler:https://www.rascal.news/zweihander-rpg-returns-for-the-reforged-edition-on-kickstarter/

The bigot! It doesn't include an option to choose we, only I. How can the they/thems possibly play this game and remain safe? He is literally committing genocide by not offering this option!!!

hedgehobbit

Quote from: Persimmon on March 02, 2024, 10:22:30 AM
In related news, check out the gender of the sample PC in the preview of the new Zweihander character sheet from Danny Fox, everyone's favorite virtue signaler:https://www.rascal.news/zweihander-rpg-returns-for-the-reforged-edition-on-kickstarter/

A "non-binary" character that also has a husband and children. But you can't really fault him for doing this as the RPG audience just loves this kinda stuff and gives his Kickstarters thousands of dollars.

So, I won't even pretend that this happening because of game developers.

BoxCrayonTales

Someone said this once, when defining the tenets of "fascism":
Quote1. A destined ingroup that is destined to fight and prevail against a vile outgroup (this by definition is flexible)
2. Totalitarian or authoritarian in its structure.
3. A moral framework that is founded on redemptive violence.
4. Usually has a mythological framework built on cultural nostagia.

There are other elements, but this is the core of fascism as a civilizational and cultural model.

What modern social movements does that describe?

1. The oppressed must forever war against the oppressors and there is no hope of redemption except through death
2. Ideological uniformity under pain of excommunication or death
3. Use psychological and physical violence on themselves and others, redemption is only possible through lifelong suffering and ultimately death
4. Mythologize pre-modern cultures as diverse utopias until the oppressors came, heavily rely on nonsensical appeal to nature fallacies (e.g. nuclear power bad, solar power good, meat eating bad, veggie eating good, animals engage in sexual behaviors that must be good by definition), claim various historical figures were secretly members of the oppressed caste

I can go on, but it's pretty clear that leftists are fascists.

RPGPundit

Quote from: Domina on March 01, 2024, 03:49:10 PM
Quote from: pawsplay on February 29, 2024, 11:00:25 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 29, 2024, 06:41:57 PM
Now, I don't pretend to speak for anybody but... Can someone please explain to me how assuming that I for being Latino have or can have a different way to play elfgames than whitey, blacks, asians, etc isn't biological essentialism and racism?

I mean, you have a good point. Perhaps we should just make all games Latino in the future. Anyone can play them.

How do you make a game latino? What does that mean?

If you're WotC, it means having third-generation latinos who don't speak any Spanish and never left the USA food/travel-blogging about arepas and peasants in sombreros named Rogelio.
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