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The Toxic Moral Purity Spiral Among Role-Playing Game Developers

Started by Anselyn, February 29, 2024, 06:03:58 PM

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GeekyBugle

#1
February 29, 2024, 06:41:57 PM
Quote from: Anselyn on February 29, 2024, 06:03:58 PM
https://grimoiremanor.substack.com/p/the-toxic-moral-purity-spiral-among

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giving diverse audiences different ways to play that suit them can be a good thing.

Now, I don't pretend to speak for anybody but... Can someone please explain to me how assuming that I for being Latino have or can have a different way to play elfgames than whitey, blacks, asians, etc isn't biological essentialism and racism?

I guess the author is including it as a disclaimer to shield himself from the mob... Good luck with that.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

Eirikrautha

#2
February 29, 2024, 06:56:09 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 29, 2024, 06:41:57 PM
Quote from: Anselyn on February 29, 2024, 06:03:58 PM
https://grimoiremanor.substack.com/p/the-toxic-moral-purity-spiral-among

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giving diverse audiences different ways to play that suit them can be a good thing.

Now, I don't pretend to speak for anybody but... Can someone please explain to me how assuming that I for being Latino have or can have a different way to play elfgames than whitey, blacks, asians, etc isn't biological essentialism and racism?

I guess the author is including it as a disclaimer to shield himself from the mob... Good luck with that.

Well, to give the author the benefit of the doubt, "diverse audiences" doesn't have to mean race or sex differences (like the woke always do).  RPGs for different tastes being a good thing is a perfectly logical conclusion.  It's only when you use their terminology that you get blatantly stupid results...
"Testosterone levels vary widely among women, just like other secondary sex characteristics like breast size or body hair. If you eliminate anyone with elevated testosterone, it's like eliminating athletes because their boobs aren't big enough or because they're too hairy." -- jhkim

Grognard GM

#3
February 29, 2024, 07:46:58 PM
Quote from: Eirikrautha on February 29, 2024, 06:56:09 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 29, 2024, 06:41:57 PM
Quote from: Anselyn on February 29, 2024, 06:03:58 PM
https://grimoiremanor.substack.com/p/the-toxic-moral-purity-spiral-among

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giving diverse audiences different ways to play that suit them can be a good thing.

Now, I don't pretend to speak for anybody but... Can someone please explain to me how assuming that I for being Latino have or can have a different way to play elfgames than whitey, blacks, asians, etc isn't biological essentialism and racism?

I guess the author is including it as a disclaimer to shield himself from the mob... Good luck with that.

Well, to give the author the benefit of the doubt, "diverse audiences" doesn't have to mean race or sex differences (like the woke always do).  RPGs for different tastes being a good thing is a perfectly logical conclusion.  It's only when you use their terminology that you get blatantly stupid results...

Yeah no, diverse audience only means one thing in 2024. Something for everyone, or open to all play styles, that would mean catering to different tastes.
I'm a middle aged guy with a lot of free time, looking for similar, to form a group for regular gaming. You should be chill, non-woke, and have time on your hands.

See below:

https://www.therpgsite.com/news-and-adverts/looking-to-form-a-group-of-people-with-lots-of-spare-time-for-regular-games/

GeekyBugle

#4
February 29, 2024, 08:42:58 PM
Preserved for posterity:

https://archive.is/GUg9s
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

David Johansen

#5
February 29, 2024, 09:13:37 PM
Guy makes a whole lotta sense.
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Grognard GM

#6
February 29, 2024, 09:16:43 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 29, 2024, 08:42:58 PM
Preserved for posterity:

https://archive.is/GUg9s

I was sorry to hear about this guy's suicide next week.
I'm a middle aged guy with a lot of free time, looking for similar, to form a group for regular gaming. You should be chill, non-woke, and have time on your hands.

See below:

https://www.therpgsite.com/news-and-adverts/looking-to-form-a-group-of-people-with-lots-of-spare-time-for-regular-games/

Corolinth

#7
February 29, 2024, 10:11:55 PM
There's an awful lot of caveats, handwringing, and to-be-sure for what was otherwise a compelling essay.

He also doesn't connect the dots all the way. The entire cancel culture craze isn't caving to the woke mob, it's using the woke mob as an excuse to fire people for ideological and political reasons that would otherwise be unacceptable. "Well we know we can't fire Joe for disagreeing with us politically, but now that we've got this concerned citizen letter from an anonymous activist, we can claim that Joe's opinions are hurting the company's PR image."

1stLevelWizard

#8
February 29, 2024, 10:22:09 PM
This has actually been something I've been thinking about this week since I heard about the stuff going on with the Final Fantasy 7 remake. It's ironic but not surprising that the left has folded over on itself and is starting to go backwards in relation to all the "progress" they've made. Like the article says, they've got their own little Satanic Panic that's been raging for the better part of a decade and a half.
"I live for my dreams and a pocketful of gold"

pawsplay

#9
February 29, 2024, 11:00:25 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 29, 2024, 06:41:57 PM
Now, I don't pretend to speak for anybody but... Can someone please explain to me how assuming that I for being Latino have or can have a different way to play elfgames than whitey, blacks, asians, etc isn't biological essentialism and racism?

I mean, you have a good point. Perhaps we should just make all games Latino in the future. Anyone can play them.

GeekyBugle

#10
March 01, 2024, 01:54:25 AM
Quote from: pawsplay on February 29, 2024, 11:00:25 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 29, 2024, 06:41:57 PM
Now, I don't pretend to speak for anybody but... Can someone please explain to me how assuming that I for being Latino have or can have a different way to play elfgames than whitey, blacks, asians, etc isn't biological essentialism and racism?

I mean, you have a good point. Perhaps we should just make all games Latino in the future. Anyone can play them.

Only a Leftard could say something like that. Only a racist would think there's such thing as a "Latino game". Only a progressive would be this racist and think he's the hero.

Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

yosemitemike

#11
March 01, 2024, 02:55:23 AM
So what, exactly, would make a game a latino game anyway?  All the characters are named things like Manuel y Miguel Vasquez Sanchez Garcia*?  Dora the Explorer Spanish insertado aleatoriamente?  No gringos allowed disclaimer?  It comes with a taco? 

*By the way, this is a real name.  Spaniards have long ass names.
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GeekyBugle

#12
March 01, 2024, 04:35:18 AM
Quote from: yosemitemike on March 01, 2024, 02:55:23 AM
So what, exactly, would make a game a latino game anyway?  All the characters are named things like Manuel y Miguel Vasquez Sanchez Garcia*?  Dora the Explorer Spanish insertado aleatoriamente?  No gringos allowed disclaimer?  It comes with a taco? 

*By the way, this is a real name.  Spaniards have long ass names.

Instead of Yuan-Ti tienes Juan-Ti.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

Grognard GM

#13
March 01, 2024, 05:05:27 AM
Quote from: pawsplay on February 29, 2024, 11:00:25 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 29, 2024, 06:41:57 PM
Now, I don't pretend to speak for anybody but... Can someone please explain to me how assuming that I for being Latino have or can have a different way to play elfgames than whitey, blacks, asians, etc isn't biological essentialism and racism?

I mean, you have a good point. Perhaps we should just make all games Latino in the future. Anyone can play them.

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I'm a middle aged guy with a lot of free time, looking for similar, to form a group for regular gaming. You should be chill, non-woke, and have time on your hands.

See below:

https://www.therpgsite.com/news-and-adverts/looking-to-form-a-group-of-people-with-lots-of-spare-time-for-regular-games/

Orphan81

#14
March 01, 2024, 07:36:18 AM
Great article overall, but the real take away for me has been the increasing data that more and more points to these people as suffering severe mental illness.

Obviously, that's self evident, but now it's starting to be proven in an Academic sense. A very recent study of 73 Trans individuals requesting sex re-assignment surgery found 84% of them suffered from Personality Disorders with Narcissism being the highest https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4301205/

When more of these articles like the Medium one are coming out, pointing to just how horrible SJW creatives are not only to the non-woke but each other as well, the fact they're most likely all suffering from extreme Personality Disorders is more and more evident. My hope is with time these people will continue to be rejected and their games start to fail.

As normal gamers begin to realize these people are actually, provably, clinically fucking assholes and you don't have to support them or entertain any of their ideas.
1. Some of you culture warriors are so committed to the bit you'll throw out any nuance or common sense in fear it's 'giving in' to the other side.

2. I'm a married homeowner with a career and a child. I won life. You can't insult me.

3. I work in a Prison, your tough guy act is boring.
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