Quote from: yosemitemike on March 04, 2024, 03:37:58 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit on March 03, 2024, 07:52:01 PM
There are different kinds of Latinos. There's the kind that eat tacos and wear sombreros, and then there's the ones who actually win at soccer.

Technically, Brazilians aren't Latinos.

Wrong, Portuguese IS a romance languaje, it also comes (at least in part) from the Latin. Therefore, Brazilians, comming from a Portuguese colony ARE Latinos.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 04, 2024, 02:34:27 PM

Quote from: yosemitemike on March 04, 2024, 03:37:58 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit on March 03, 2024, 07:52:01 PM
There are different kinds of Latinos. There's the kind that eat tacos and wear sombreros, and then there's the ones who actually win at soccer.

Technically, Brazilians aren't Latinos.

Wrong, Portuguese IS a romance languaje, it also comes (at least in part) from the Latin. Therefore, Brazilians, comming from a Portuguese colony ARE Latinos.

I have never understood the usage of the label. "Latino" doesn't really mean anything. I know what its supposed to mean. It means someone in America (the continent) that speaks a romance language (which comes from latin). That is it. It doesn't say anything about who they are or their culture. As you point out, Brazilians speak Portuguese, which is different than Spanish. And Mexico is in North America, while Brazil is in South America. So, they have a different ethnicity, native language and cultural values, but they are both "latino"?

Also, in Canada, there are parts that speak French, like Quebec who's official native language is French, not English. French is also a romance language. But, no one would ever refer to a Canadian from Quebec as "latino".

To me, latino is a meaningless term. So, making a game "latino" means nothing. The cultural values of an american country that happens to speak a romance language have nothing to do with another american country that speaks an american language. Also, even though the US and Canada are right next to each other, they do not have the same cultural values. And no one refers to the US or Canada as "Angloamericans".

I honestly, can't understand why someone can identify with such a label, as the label is meaningless.

Now, I am not saying the people that use the label for themselves are meaningless, I am saying I have a very hard time understanding how can they identify with a label that doesn't really mean anything. Saying someone is "latino" is basically calling them human. I also find strange how people in the US are americans, people from Canada are canadians. But then everyone else is "latinamerican". Again, meaningless term.

And, I am not saying this doesn't happen, but from my travels I known people from Argentina that identify themselves as argentinians and not as "latinos", in the same way people in Chile see themselves as chilean and not necessarily "latino".

GeekyBugle: If you identify yourself as "latino", may I ask what makes you latino in the same way as someone from Brazil? You don't even speak the same language so your cultural values are different. Meaning, you clearly speak English very well, so you have as much in common with people from the US or Canada than with people from Brazil.

Please, don't take this as an offense or attack on your identity, I just really want to understand why someone would accept a label that doesn't really have any meaning as an identifier for their identity.

Inertia, mostly.

Quote from: Cipher on March 04, 2024, 03:27:44 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 04, 2024, 02:34:27 PM

Quote from: yosemitemike on March 04, 2024, 03:37:58 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit on March 03, 2024, 07:52:01 PM
There are different kinds of Latinos. There's the kind that eat tacos and wear sombreros, and then there's the ones who actually win at soccer.

Technically, Brazilians aren't Latinos.

Wrong, Portuguese IS a romance languaje, it also comes (at least in part) from the Latin. Therefore, Brazilians, comming from a Portuguese colony ARE Latinos.

I have never understood the usage of the label. "Latino" doesn't really mean anything. I know what its supposed to mean. It means someone in America (the continent) that speaks a romance language (which comes from latin). That is it. It doesn't say anything about who they are or their culture. As you point out, Brazilians speak Portuguese, which is different than Spanish. And Mexico is in North America, while Brazil is in South America. So, they have a different ethnicity, native language and cultural values, but they are both "latino"?

Also, in Canada, there are parts that speak French, like Quebec who's official native language is French, not English. French is also a romance language. But, no one would ever refer to a Canadian from Quebec as "latino".

To me, latino is a meaningless term. So, making a game "latino" means nothing. The cultural values of an american country that happens to speak a romance language have nothing to do with another american country that speaks an american language. Also, even though the US and Canada are right next to each other, they do not have the same cultural values. And no one refers to the US or Canada as "Angloamericans".

I honestly, can't understand why someone can identify with such a label, as the label is meaningless.

Now, I am not saying the people that use the label for themselves are meaningless, I am saying I have a very hard time understanding how can they identify with a label that doesn't really mean anything. Saying someone is "latino" is basically calling them human. I also find strange how people in the US are americans, people from Canada are canadians. But then everyone else is "latinamerican". Again, meaningless term.

And, I am not saying this doesn't happen, but from my travels I known people from Argentina that identify themselves as argentinians and not as "latinos", in the same way people in Chile see themselves as chilean and not necessarily "latino".

GeekyBugle: If you identify yourself as "latino", may I ask what makes you latino in the same way as someone from Brazil? You don't even speak the same language so your cultural values are different. Meaning, you clearly speak English very well, so you have as much in common with people from the US or Canada than with people from Brazil.

Please, don't take this as an offense or attack on your identity, I just really want to understand why someone would accept a label that doesn't really have any meaning as an identifier for their identity.

As you correctly point out Latino just means your country was colonized by a Romance speaking European country and you're from the American Continent.

By that definition yes, I'm Latino. But if all you knew about me was that I'm Laticno you know nothing about me really.

I'm Mexican by birth, culture and nationality, Spanish by nationality and culture, Maya by birth (not the culture since I never lived there nor do I speak the language).

Now, if all you knew about me is that I'm Mexican you can make some educated assumptions about my culture and positions in many things. You still don't know very much about me because an assumption isn't knowledge.

There's no such thing as a Latino culture, ethnicity or anything else, it's IMHO, a label invented by gringos to group us all because we come in too varied a color pallete to be cathegorized that way.

WTF is going on in this thread?

What are the Class abilities for Latinos, and do I as a Filipino get the Asian Chi-powered version of that class?

Quote from: tenbones on March 04, 2024, 05:17:32 PM
WTF is going on in this thread?

What are the Class abilities for Latinos, and do I as a Filipino get the Asian Chi-powered version of that class?

Greetings!

LOL! Great, Tenbones!

This all makes me wonder, do Latino gamers have special powers? Is that like "Black Girl Magic!"--and yeah, apparently "Black Girl Magic" is a thing that is really believed in by our culture, Hollywood, the entertainment industry, and God knows where else in the culture.

Black women, by virtue of simply being *Black Women"--apparently are gifted with special, unique powers.

Yeah, you know I'm right, too, my friend. You can't make this stupid shit up! LOL. I wish I was fucking with you, but I'm not even joking. I've seen this several times in different contexts, movies, music, books, work environment relationships, business, and that's just off the top of my head. I'm sure there are more, right? I know, I know. The stupid factor is off the charts, man. OFF THE CHARTS!

SHE GOT THE BLACK GIRL MAGIC!!!!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 04, 2024, 05:12:33 PM

Quote from: Cipher on March 04, 2024, 03:27:44 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 04, 2024, 02:34:27 PM

Quote from: yosemitemike on March 04, 2024, 03:37:58 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit on March 03, 2024, 07:52:01 PM
There are different kinds of Latinos. There's the kind that eat tacos and wear sombreros, and then there's the ones who actually win at soccer.

Technically, Brazilians aren't Latinos.

Wrong, Portuguese IS a romance languaje, it also comes (at least in part) from the Latin. Therefore, Brazilians, comming from a Portuguese colony ARE Latinos.

I have never understood the usage of the label. "Latino" doesn't really mean anything. I know what its supposed to mean. It means someone in America (the continent) that speaks a romance language (which comes from latin). That is it. It doesn't say anything about who they are or their culture. As you point out, Brazilians speak Portuguese, which is different than Spanish. And Mexico is in North America, while Brazil is in South America. So, they have a different ethnicity, native language and cultural values, but they are both "latino"?

Also, in Canada, there are parts that speak French, like Quebec who's official native language is French, not English. French is also a romance language. But, no one would ever refer to a Canadian from Quebec as "latino".

To me, latino is a meaningless term. So, making a game "latino" means nothing. The cultural values of an american country that happens to speak a romance language have nothing to do with another american country that speaks an american language. Also, even though the US and Canada are right next to each other, they do not have the same cultural values. And no one refers to the US or Canada as "Angloamericans".

I honestly, can't understand why someone can identify with such a label, as the label is meaningless.

Now, I am not saying the people that use the label for themselves are meaningless, I am saying I have a very hard time understanding how can they identify with a label that doesn't really mean anything. Saying someone is "latino" is basically calling them human. I also find strange how people in the US are americans, people from Canada are canadians. But then everyone else is "latinamerican". Again, meaningless term.

And, I am not saying this doesn't happen, but from my travels I known people from Argentina that identify themselves as argentinians and not as "latinos", in the same way people in Chile see themselves as chilean and not necessarily "latino".

GeekyBugle: If you identify yourself as "latino", may I ask what makes you latino in the same way as someone from Brazil? You don't even speak the same language so your cultural values are different. Meaning, you clearly speak English very well, so you have as much in common with people from the US or Canada than with people from Brazil.

Please, don't take this as an offense or attack on your identity, I just really want to understand why someone would accept a label that doesn't really have any meaning as an identifier for their identity.

As you correctly point out Latino just means your country was colonized by a Romance speaking European country and you're from the American Continent.

By that definition yes, I'm Latino. But if all you knew about me was that I'm Laticno you know nothing about me really.

I'm Mexican by birth, culture and nationality, Spanish by nationality and culture, Maya by birth (not the culture since I never lived there nor do I speak the language).

Now, if all you knew about me is that I'm Mexican you can make some educated assumptions about my culture and positions in many things. You still don't know very much about me because an assumption isn't knowledge.

There's no such thing as a Latino culture, ethnicity or anything else, it's IMHO, a label invented by gringos to group us all because we come in too varied a color pallete to be cathegorized that way.

Thanks so much for the reply. I see you and I agree about the label being useless and the absence of a "Latino" culture making it basically a meaningless term.

In the US the term used to be "hispanic". Not really sure when that shifted to "latino". I am thinking that maybe it was wildly adopted by people that are by all account american but want to add an additional label to feel more special, as I've known people that claim to be "latino" but don't even speak/understand Spanish or Portuguese.

Just because their ancestors were immigrants from Mexico (North America) or other countries in South America. In my experience, people that identify as "latino" live in the US. This is by no means a proper sample size, but your comments and the comments of zer0th reflect my own experiences with people from South America who see themselves related to their respective nationality/culture and not as "latino".

Quote from: tenbones on March 04, 2024, 05:17:32 PM
WTF is going on in this thread?

What are the Class abilities for Latinos, and do I as a Filipino get the Asian Chi-powered version of that class?

I'm afraid only Chinese, Japanese and Koreans get Chi powers.

You get...(checks list)...stick fighting.

Quote from: tenbones on March 04, 2024, 05:17:32 PM
WTF is going on in this thread?

What are the Class abilities for Latinos, and do I as a Filipino get the Asian Chi-powered version of that class?

Depends on the region, between the Rio Grande and the Usumacinta rivers you get to choose between Eagle, Snake or Jaguar knights or shaman, hunter & Nahual.

Abbilities are of course Class dependent: Eagle Knights get the abbility to fly at 5th Lvl, Snake Knights are faster than the eye and really sneaky, Jaguar Knights get Fearsome Roar, all of them get +2 to AC from their respective armor.

Shaman and Hunter are meh classes but Nahual... Witch that can cast curses and shapeshift into animals.

You get stick fighthing, sorry them the rules.

Quote from: Cipher on March 04, 2024, 05:59:50 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 04, 2024, 05:12:33 PM

Quote from: Cipher on March 04, 2024, 03:27:44 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 04, 2024, 02:34:27 PM

Quote from: yosemitemike on March 04, 2024, 03:37:58 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit on March 03, 2024, 07:52:01 PM
There are different kinds of Latinos. There's the kind that eat tacos and wear sombreros, and then there's the ones who actually win at soccer.

Technically, Brazilians aren't Latinos.

Wrong, Portuguese IS a romance languaje, it also comes (at least in part) from the Latin. Therefore, Brazilians, comming from a Portuguese colony ARE Latinos.

I have never understood the usage of the label. "Latino" doesn't really mean anything. I know what its supposed to mean. It means someone in America (the continent) that speaks a romance language (which comes from latin). That is it. It doesn't say anything about who they are or their culture. As you point out, Brazilians speak Portuguese, which is different than Spanish. And Mexico is in North America, while Brazil is in South America. So, they have a different ethnicity, native language and cultural values, but they are both "latino"?

Also, in Canada, there are parts that speak French, like Quebec who's official native language is French, not English. French is also a romance language. But, no one would ever refer to a Canadian from Quebec as "latino".

To me, latino is a meaningless term. So, making a game "latino" means nothing. The cultural values of an american country that happens to speak a romance language have nothing to do with another american country that speaks an american language. Also, even though the US and Canada are right next to each other, they do not have the same cultural values. And no one refers to the US or Canada as "Angloamericans".

I honestly, can't understand why someone can identify with such a label, as the label is meaningless.

Now, I am not saying the people that use the label for themselves are meaningless, I am saying I have a very hard time understanding how can they identify with a label that doesn't really mean anything. Saying someone is "latino" is basically calling them human. I also find strange how people in the US are americans, people from Canada are canadians. But then everyone else is "latinamerican". Again, meaningless term.

And, I am not saying this doesn't happen, but from my travels I known people from Argentina that identify themselves as argentinians and not as "latinos", in the same way people in Chile see themselves as chilean and not necessarily "latino".

GeekyBugle: If you identify yourself as "latino", may I ask what makes you latino in the same way as someone from Brazil? You don't even speak the same language so your cultural values are different. Meaning, you clearly speak English very well, so you have as much in common with people from the US or Canada than with people from Brazil.

Please, don't take this as an offense or attack on your identity, I just really want to understand why someone would accept a label that doesn't really have any meaning as an identifier for their identity.

As you correctly point out Latino just means your country was colonized by a Romance speaking European country and you're from the American Continent.

By that definition yes, I'm Latino. But if all you knew about me was that I'm Laticno you know nothing about me really.

I'm Mexican by birth, culture and nationality, Spanish by nationality and culture, Maya by birth (not the culture since I never lived there nor do I speak the language).

Now, if all you knew about me is that I'm Mexican you can make some educated assumptions about my culture and positions in many things. You still don't know very much about me because an assumption isn't knowledge.

There's no such thing as a Latino culture, ethnicity or anything else, it's IMHO, a label invented by gringos to group us all because we come in too varied a color pallete to be cathegorized that way.

Thanks so much for the reply. I see you and I agree about the label being useless and the absence of a "Latino" culture making it basically a meaningless term.

In the US the term used to be "hispanic". Not really sure when that shifted to "latino". I am thinking that maybe it was wildly adopted by people that are by all account american but want to add an additional label to feel more special, as I've known people that claim to be "latino" but don't even speak/understand Spanish or Portuguese.

Just because their ancestors were immigrants from Mexico (North America) or other countries in South America. In my experience, people that identify as "latino" live in the US. This is by no means a proper sample size, but your comments and the comments of zer0th reflect my own experiences with people from South America who see themselves related to their respective nationality/culture and not as "latino".

My late boss was first generation descendant from Japanese, he was more Mexican than any of the "Latinos" who were born in the USA, he spoke the language, knew the food and culture and was really good at alburear.

Albures is a double meaning type of argot, usually the seccondary meaning is sexual in nature, the more like normal language you can sound while still badmouthing the other or making innuendo about his/her family the better you are at albures.

Quote from: tenbones on March 04, 2024, 05:17:32 PM
WTF is going on in this thread?

What are the Class abilities for Latinos, and do I as a Filipino get the Asian Chi-powered version of that class?

There was actually an Escrimador class in Dragon magazine #124. I studied that (well, Kali which is almost the same thing as escrima) for about a year and stick fighting has the benefit of working well with machetes and was one of the reasons the U.S. Army moved to the .45 ACP 1911 because the .38 wasn't effective at all

So I've been an Albures master since I was 12, despite only hearing the word today.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 04, 2024, 08:13:16 PM

My late boss was first generation descendant from Japanese, he was more Mexican than any of the "Latinos" who were born in the USA, he spoke the language, knew the food and culture and was really good at alburear.

Albures is a double meaning type of argot, usually the seccondary meaning is sexual in nature, the more like normal language you can sound while still badmouthing the other or making innuendo about his/her family the better you are at albures.

Indeed! And that has been my experience with legal immigrants and their offspring, as well. Their identity includes their own ethnic roots, but for the most part is based on their nationality and culture.

Only in the US have I found people so obsessed with their race, to the point that those genetic tests that give you a % of your genetic makeup can be a business. Nowhere else have I heard that to be a thing outside of the US.

Quote from: Exploderwizard on March 01, 2024, 10:14:36 AM

Quote from: Corolinth on February 29, 2024, 10:11:55 PM
There's an awful lot of caveats, handwringing, and to-be-sure for what was otherwise a compelling essay.

He also doesn't connect the dots all the way. The entire cancel culture craze isn't caving to the woke mob, it's using the woke mob as an excuse to fire people for ideological and political reasons that would otherwise be unacceptable. "Well we know we can't fire Joe for disagreeing with us politically, but now that we've got this concerned citizen letter from an anonymous activist, we can claim that Joe's opinions are hurting the company's PR image."

Yes there are other dots not being connected, such as the financial pressure by giants such as Blackrock, Vanguard, & State Street who are usually major shareholders of bigger game companies putting the DEI requirements on these companies, not caring how much it hurts their bottom line because the agenda to destroy Western culture is more important to them than making money. We have all heard the term ' Too big to fail'. When it comes to taking financial losses in order to enable a political agenda, these companies are TOO BIG TO CARE. Oh well we just lost 300 million dollars in the rpg industry. Small price to pay for another wrecking ball used in the downfall of Western culture.

all these dots make fertile discussion, and I have a lot to say on all of it that I won't here because it isn't really about RPGs specifically.  The article, however, was focused on the question of why so many RPGs stink these days.  These are all valid points that reveal the bigger picture, but that is all beyond the focus of the substack post.

Quote from: tenbones on March 04, 2024, 05:17:32 PM
WTF is going on in this thread?

What are the Class abilities for Latinos, and do I as a Filipino get the Asian Chi-powered version of that class?

Brazilians: "No on can be more ambiguously 'Latino' than us!"
Philipinos: "Hold my San Miguel."