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The Sandbox: Real or Illusion?

Started by Seanchai, March 11, 2008, 01:05:16 AM

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Melan

#150
March 12, 2008, 05:19:06 AM
Quote from: SeanchaiSo is Keep on the Borderlands.
It is not. The giant black widow spiders in the forest? Fucking deadly on level one. The minotaur? A guaranteed PC-killer unless outwitted. The ogre? If you run into him at the beginning, and don't run... you will probably die.

Of course, the module doesn't encompass all levels of play. But carefully tailored - no, it is not.
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flyingmice

#151
March 12, 2008, 10:12:40 AM
Quote from: Dr Rotwang!The hell we wouldn't!  Play reports, anecdotes, what worked and what didn't, tips on dropping in modules, cool random charts...?

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James McMurray

#152
March 12, 2008, 10:50:25 AM
Quote from: MelanOf course, the module doesn't encompass all levels of play. But carefully tailored - no, it is not.

I'd have been amazed if it did, since all levels of play didn't exist when it was written. :)

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#153
March 12, 2008, 12:17:08 PM
Quote from: flyingmiceYou know I love you, Doc? Please don't tell my wife! She wouldn't understand!

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#154
March 12, 2008, 12:18:25 PM
Quote from: estarI just posted on my City Guard campaign. I look at my notes and see what I can dig out for the other campaigns I ran both traditional and theme oriented.
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James McMurray

#155
March 12, 2008, 12:23:50 PM
Quote from: Dr Rotwang!Linky-dinky-bo-binky?

Sho nuff

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GrayPumpkin

#156
March 12, 2008, 12:28:03 PM
Quote from: James McMurraySho nuff

And be forewarned, if you don't get that reference, we'll be confiscating your license to ill.
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Haffrung

#157
March 12, 2008, 12:28:38 PM
Quote from: James McMurrayI'd have been amazed if it did, since all levels of play didn't exist when it was written. :)

Fact is, there was stuff in B2 that would wipe the floor with Level 1 or 2 PCs. And I don't recall it being considered unfair, or a sign of bad design. The game wasn't designed for each encounter to use up 20 per cent of a party's resources, and for a tactically-adept party to defeat all encounters if they use their resources effectively. You just have to run from some shit.

Which is a good lesson for players when their PCs venture beyond the relatively safe confines of the Borderlands; in the wilderness, you can encounter anything (werewolves, wyverns, hundreds of orcs) regardless of your level. So keep a low profile, scout ahead, and be prepared to flee (and have a plan for fleeing) if you run into monsters you can't handle in combat.

That's sandbox play. And you just don't see it in today's WotC adventures or in Paizo's Adventure Paths.
 

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#158
March 12, 2008, 01:31:55 PM
Quote from: James McMurraySho nuff

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I got the power of The Glow.

I think.  Might be a rash.
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flyingmice

#159
March 12, 2008, 01:37:26 PM
Quote from: Dr Rotwang!I barely understand.

Because you post beautiful sense like that!

And because of the tie!

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HinterWelt

#160
March 12, 2008, 02:51:01 PM
Quote from: Dr Rotwang!I got the power of The Glow.

I think.  Might be a rash.
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March 12, 2008, 03:38:37 PM
Quote from: HinterWeltWho's tha Mastah!!! Who's tha MASTAH!!!!!

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James McMurray

#162
March 12, 2008, 03:42:14 PM
Excellent. You may all continue to ill in a fully licensed state.

Seanchai

#163
March 12, 2008, 04:04:46 PM
Quote from: walkerpYeah, that makes me retract my initial assertion that it was a Sandbox module.

Yeah. I got busy last night and didn't get to re-read it, but I'm pretty darn sure it has (comparatively) lots of GM advice and might even say some of the things that folks have identifed as flags for non-sandbox games (i.e., "At this point, the party should be 2nd level...).

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Seanchai

#164
March 12, 2008, 04:06:32 PM
Quote from: HaffrungI see you ignored the rest of my post. You know - the part about Adventure Paths following a scripted storyline.

Look, either you're remarkably obtuse and you don't understand something that almost everyone else here has no trouble understanding, or you really are just a fucking troll.

Maybe we could get a show of hands here.

Seanchai:

Obtuse?

Or Troll?

You're just pissed because Keep and other of your previous OD&D modules aren't what you claim they are.

But, hey, if you really think I'm a troll, please put me on your ignore list.

Seanchai

Edit: Added the word "modules"
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