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The resurgence of tabletop RPGs, thanks to the queer community?

Started by Kerstmanneke82, June 01, 2022, 05:04:17 AM

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rytrasmi

Quote from: bromides on June 01, 2022, 10:33:34 AM
When I played Battletech with a trans woman, I didn't even get Social Credit for it.

It was in the days before "social media". I didn't have the opportunity to virtue signal my worthiness! Q.Q

Seriously, gaming + queer/trans/whatever is still gaming. If these retards need to slap a label on it, then they're not gaming. They're being racist gatekeeper f*cktards who are ruining the hobby with their labels.
Well said.
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bromides

Quote from: rytrasmi on June 01, 2022, 11:35:18 AM
Quote from: bromides on June 01, 2022, 10:33:34 AM
When I played Battletech with a trans woman, I didn't even get Social Credit for it.

It was in the days before "social media". I didn't have the opportunity to virtue signal my worthiness! Q.Q

Seriously, gaming + queer/trans/whatever is still gaming. If these retards need to slap a label on it, then they're not gaming. They're being racist gatekeeper f*cktards who are ruining the hobby with their labels.
Well said.

Thanks... I think anyone who has done any kind of public gaming at a convention (back in the pre-Plague era, when we did this sort of thing) probably has the exact same experience. It's insulting to be lectured by Wokes when we've already lived this. We don't need to be told these things.

As gamers, we already understand a diverse universe. I didn't have to be told anything about queers or trans or other races. We're already in this mindspace where there's a possibility of people outside of the concept of Self. So, for a gamer who is already open to the Other, a lecture on diversity is a pile of worthless garbage nonsense that is actively stupid.

We have enough passive stupidity in gaming. We don't need active stupidity.

Quite frankly, if someone needs a roleplaying manual to tell them that extreme racism isn't very good practice, then they're probably already f*cked in the head and no gaming book will change that.

A unironically utopian game universe? Now there is a roleplaying game about Personal Horror that I can buy into, unlike Vampire. (I'm a Vampire? AWESOME. Wait, I'm supposed to be sad and emo about this?! WTF?)

GhostNinja

Quote from: bromides on June 01, 2022, 10:33:34 AM
When I played Battletech with a trans woman, I didn't even get Social Credit for it.

Sorry, one trans woman is not enough.  No credit for you!   ;D
Ghostninja

Godsmonkey

Quote from: GhostNinja on June 01, 2022, 12:22:03 PM
Quote from: bromides on June 01, 2022, 10:33:34 AM
When I played Battletech with a trans woman, I didn't even get Social Credit for it.

Sorry, one trans woman is not enough.  No credit for you!   ;D

If you're right leaning you could game with only trans women, and you wouldnt get credit.

It's like the argument about dating. If you wont date a black woman, you're a bigot, if you will, you're a fetishist.

So clearly having a trans woman in your gaming group makes you a bigot.

oggsmash

  Given the source of this claim, I think it can be attributed to the good old narcissism of internet/modern culture.   They think things simply did not exist until they decided to start doing/participating in them.  Issue I have is these same shits try to immediately start changing things once they become involved.  They are terminal busy bodies and can not help themselves.

VisionStorm

Quote from: oggsmash on June 01, 2022, 12:51:43 PM
  Given the source of this claim, I think it can be attributed to the good old narcissism of internet/modern culture.   They think things simply did not exist until they decided to start doing/participating in them.  Issue I have is these same shits try to immediately start changing things once they become involved.  They are terminal busy bodies and can not help themselves.

They're also completely guided by motivated reasoning, so I don't believe any claims people like these make about facing prejudice or victimization. For all I know they're interpreting any vaguely negative or even lukewarm interaction or odd quirky behavior as homophobia or whatever. Or are exaggerating real prejudicial comments they may have witnessed as some sort of rampant issue within TTRPGs, as opposed to it happening cuz prejudices exist and sometimes those people play games or engage in any other number of activities. Doesn't mean than they're more prevalent in there than in other areas of society.

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bromides

Quote from: Godsmonkey on June 01, 2022, 12:50:04 PM
Quote from: GhostNinja on June 01, 2022, 12:22:03 PM
Quote from: bromides on June 01, 2022, 10:33:34 AM
When I played Battletech with a trans woman, I didn't even get Social Credit for it.

Sorry, one trans woman is not enough.  No credit for you!   ;D

If you're right leaning you could game with only trans women, and you wouldnt get credit.

It's like the argument about dating. If you wont date a black woman, you're a bigot, if you will, you're a fetishist.

So clearly having a trans woman in your gaming group makes you a bigot.

Clearly, I need to start calling other people "Racist" or "Rape apologists", and then I'll be validated with Social Credit!!!

(Everyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi!!!!)

...

I feel like this kind of Progressive safe-space gaming is well intended, but ultimately ignorant.

They want to reduce bullying or exclusionary whatever... I get that.
Many of us experienced some kind of bullying, but we didn't shoot schoolchildren or become Hitler as a result.

IMO, it's not the bullying that is the essential issue here. It's not the tribalism (which these idiots are fighting by creating even worse forms of tribalism, but whatever.)

The whole expectation of "no bullying" safe spaces is over-wrought.
While we ought to minimize bullying, the lack of coping skills and the promotion of "special snowflake" education is the larger problem IMO.

If everything is a happy safe space, then when these snowflakes hit the real world, it's no wonder they react by planting bombs and double-tapping 10-year olds.

What we need are more unsafe spaces (including gaming) where there's honesty and reality. It's the limitation of their imaginations that leads to mental-social breakdowns, and the bullying is only a contributing factor.

GhostNinja

Quote from: Godsmonkey on June 01, 2022, 12:50:04 PM

If you're right leaning you could game with only trans women, and you wouldnt get credit.

It's like the argument about dating. If you wont date a black woman, you're a bigot, if you will, you're a fetishist.

So clearly having a trans woman in your gaming group makes you a bigot.

Everything you are saying is true.  But for the most part, I was kidding.
Ghostninja

Banjo Destructo

The only thing I see is bland people without personalities, imagination, or creativity, culturally appropriating the gamer culture and claiming it was colonized by white people?

GhostNinja

Quote from: oggsmash on June 01, 2022, 12:51:43 PM
  Given the source of this claim, I think it can be attributed to the good old narcissism of internet/modern culture.   They think things simply did not exist until they decided to start doing/participating in them.  Issue I have is these same shits try to immediately start changing things once they become involved.  They are terminal busy bodies and can not help themselves.

Couldn't agree more.  People just trying to start shit, that's all, nothing new.
Ghostninja

GhostNinja

Quote from: bromides on June 01, 2022, 02:15:34 PM
[Clearly, I need to start calling other people "Racist" or "Rape apologists", and then I'll be validated with Social Credit!!!

(Everyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi!!!!)

Reminds me what I told a reporter who talked to me about Violence in video games and whether video games make people more volant. 

"Video games don't make people more violent and I will kill anyone who disagrees with me"

She looked at me blankly for a couple of seconds and said "I don't think we can use that quote"
Ghostninja

crkrueger

What new GMing techniques do you use just because you are Black or Asian?
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oggsmash

Quote from: crkrueger on June 01, 2022, 04:03:38 PM
What new GMing techniques do you use just because you are Black or Asian?

  having played some very diverse games of spades, I could try to toss out a few stereotypes if you like? 

  Edited to add:  Meaning IME, the Asians playing spades are playing in a much more reserved way than say a Black person.   Which I should say Black guy, women, of all races seem to play pretty reserved as well, even when dropping balls.

ponta1010

Quote from: Ghostmaker on June 01, 2022, 10:50:10 AM
I just wanna fight some fuckin' dragons! Is that too much to ask?

Magic! That had me laughing out loud. Can I use that as a tag line?
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