Last week or so I saw this article from the NYtimes:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/21/style/dungeons-and-dragons.html
I'll paste some interesting points here, what do you think?
"It's the newer generation of players who make D&D — and tabletop role-playing games generally — what it is today.
Connie Chang, a 24-year-old game master who runs "a semi-Tumblr-famous D&D meme blog," is the G.M. of Transplanar, "a non-colonial, anti-Orientalist" livestreamed game consisting entirely of players who are transgender and people of color.
"I really feel like marginalized people are the vanguard of making D&D blow up again," Mx. Chang said. "People say 'Stranger Things,' but I'm like, 'Nah, it's the queer community.'"
"Within the community, it's the Black folks, right?" Mx. Chang continued. "It's the Asian folks. It's the Indigenous folks. It's the people of color who are really bringing cool, innovative, fresh, much needed new blood and air and perspectives and voices and ways of G.M.ing and ways of playing to the space that would shake up an otherwise stale play community, straight up."
For all its fantastical otherworldliness, Dungeons & Dragons — created by Mr. Gygax when he was 36, and Mr. Arneson, at 27 — is deeply rooted in Eurocentric ideals of the Middle and Dark Ages. In interviews, players pointed to the work of J.R.R. Tolkien for inspiring entire races and subclasses within the D&D game that were built on racist tropes and reinforced harmful stereotypes. Players of different races, gender identities and sexual orientations cited instances of feeling unwelcome by legacy D&D players, by the game itself and by its history of straight white maleness and overt colonialism."
They state that it is they who were shunned at the tables of legacy D&D-players. I myself have been playing TTRPGs since 2016. I did know since the beginning of the 90s of one such thing as D&D but the books were impossible to come by. However, I have always been a nerd (for better or, mostly, for worse) and what kind of grinds my gears is that those who make D&D popular, as they say themselves, are exactly the ones who would bully us for being geeks and nerds. And I was picked upon for such interests. If anyone was marginalised, it must have been the nerds and geeks, not them. Because no-one cared about their gender or colour or whatever, back in the day.
So yeah, I think the resurgence of RPGs is partly due to the internet, true, as stated in the article, but also videogames in general (think Bioware). I think the "queer community" has only jumped on it once it was already on the rise and have contributed nothing to the popularity of the game outside of that subculture's boundaries.
What do you think?
Frankly, as far as I can tell, rpgs have always been a haven for mildly, or not so mildly, misanthropic peopled. "Queer" has usually fallen into that group. The people who genuinely used role playing as an outlet for expressing something they can't in real life have existed in the hobby for a long time. This new wave of politically queer, and let's be honest they absolutely are using gender/sexuality/etc. as a political statement more than anything else, just saw a convenient bandwagon to jump on just as they have always done. There will be another fad to be chased eventually. So contributing to a renaissance? No. Inflating a transitory boost in pop culture? Yes.
Quote from: Kerstmanneke82 on June 01, 2022, 05:04:17 AM
What do you think?
I think you are only here to talk about identity politics
through the TTRPG hobby.
I think you have three topics, all of them incendiary, and you have chosen not to engage in any real gaming thread.
I think you'll try to prove me wrong by quickly posting in other threads, but you'll revert back to this in no time.
And finally, I think given all the above, you are just like them. A lonely internet vagabond starting fires and seeking that next dopamine hit.
I think it's pretty simple. Fantasy and things nerdy in general have had a bump in interest in book and film and culture in general. The table top RPG market is so tiny in relative terms that a 10% bump in the much larger industries could easily translate to a 500% bump in RPGs. Most likely it will eventually fade as fashion moves onto other things.
Of course even a temporary bump has some massive upside. The funding to produce cool things the industry wouldn't have otherwise been able to do, and the opportunity to hook in a few of the fair weather fans for the long run.
But it's also got its downsides. Like a producer could enjoy a 300% bump, not knowing they should have been due for a 500% bump, and start patting themselves on the back for a job well done when they've actually fallen far short over what could have been.
Motivated reasoning's gonna motivated reason. People will be able to use the facts to justify whatever they want. My take is, we have an opportunity that comes by once in a generation, if that. Enjoy the bump while it lasts. Have what fun you can have. Make the best products you can make. Forge new friendships.
Quote from: FingerRod on June 01, 2022, 07:04:49 AM
Quote from: Kerstmanneke82 on June 01, 2022, 05:04:17 AM
What do you think?
I think you are only here to talk about identity politics through the TTRPG hobby.
I think you have three topics, all of them incendiary, and you have chosen not to engage in any real gaming thread.
I think you'll try to prove me wrong by quickly posting in other threads, but you'll revert back to this in no time.
And finally, I think given all the above, you are just like them. A lonely internet vagabond starting fires and seeking that next dopamine hit.
Sadly ^this. Brutal, but true. Hasn't even followed through on previous threads.
Yeah, this "article" is pretty laughable.
This Connie Chang is just talking out of their ass. They have no proof, just spouting whatever they think. Like all on the internet do.
If their group is having fun playing "their" version of D&D, so be it. I'm not some purist who thinks D&D should only be played one way. I know how I run it and it won't be inclusive to all, but that's okay. It doesn't have to be.
And also, yeah, what FingerRod said. It seems like the OP is just trying to stir shit up.
Quote from: VisionStorm on June 01, 2022, 09:23:40 AMSadly ^this. Brutal, but true. Hasn't even followed through on previous threads.
Yup.
Quote from: FingerRod on June 01, 2022, 07:04:49 AM
Quote from: Kerstmanneke82 on June 01, 2022, 05:04:17 AM
What do you think?
I think you are only here to talk about identity politics through the TTRPG hobby.
I think you have three topics, all of them incendiary, and you have chosen not to engage in any real gaming thread.
I think you'll try to prove me wrong by quickly posting in other threads, but you'll revert back to this in no time.
And finally, I think given all the above, you are just like them. A lonely internet vagabond starting fires and seeking that next dopamine hit.
You're free to think whatever you want. I won't give you the pleasure of participating in threads just to try to prove you wrong. I am not starting any fires whatsoever, but again, you're free to believe what you want.
When I played Battletech with a trans woman, I didn't even get Social Credit for it.
It was in the days before "social media". I didn't have the opportunity to virtue signal my worthiness! Q.Q
Seriously, gaming + queer/trans/whatever is still gaming. If these retards need to slap a label on it, then they're not gaming. They're being racist gatekeeper f*cktards who are ruining the hobby with their labels.
Quote from: Kerstmanneke82 on June 01, 2022, 05:04:17 AM
Players of different races, gender identities and sexual orientations cited instances of feeling unwelcome by legacy D&D players, by the game itself and by its history of straight white maleness and overt colonialism."
Sounds like a personal problem. I have heard idiots on various forums say "well they don't mention gay characters in the character creation process so gay characters and gay players aren't welcome!"
Which is the weirdest and most misguided leap of logic I have ever heard.
It used to be, nobody cared if you were black, gay, whatever. Roll the dice, minimize the out of game drama, have fun.
Now it's completely backwards. It's gotta be ALL about the 'struggle'.
I just wanna fight some fuckin' dragons! Is that too much to ask?
Quote from: Ghostmaker on June 01, 2022, 10:50:10 AM
I just wanna fight some fuckin' dragons! Is that too much to ask?
That depends on the color of the dragons.
Quote from: HappyDaze on June 01, 2022, 10:51:24 AM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on June 01, 2022, 10:50:10 AM
I just wanna fight some fuckin' dragons! Is that too much to ask?
That depends on the color of the dragons.
But both black and white dragons are evil. Yet, the obviously Asian-inspired gold dragon is good. What can I do? How do I solve this conundrum?
Or maybe Gygax was subversive after all and no one picked up on it?
You're new to this whole woke agenda thing I take it?
Welcome to the lively world of a small faction in the gay community who seem hell bent on antagonizing everyone. Or just claiming anything and everything is gay now or was allways gay or god only knows what the hell it will be next. Theres alot of overlap in rhetoric with storygamers and the woke cult. Or any type of interest that happens to have developed a festering little knot of nutcases. We even see it in the handicapped circles with depressing regularity.
And this is in no way a new thing.
As others said above. RPGs have been often a haven for anyone and everyone. This whole party line that RPGs were exclusionary and now its being made "better" for "diversity" is a fabrication. A lie.
Quote from: Omega on June 01, 2022, 11:13:09 AM
You're new to this whole woke agenda thing I take it?
New, no, but European, so things tend to go a little bit slower or later here. However, but I will keep this brief, as to not veer off to other more sensitive topics, our language starts to change because of such things. Let's take the idea of skin colour.
In English, you can say "white" for both your skin colour and the colour of paper or snow.
In Dutch, you would use "wit" for that. However, the colour of our skin is referred to with "blank". You can compare it to English "blank". A blank stare, for example, to signify emptiness. In Dutch you could also say "een blanke lei" for a blank slate, therefore, "blank" is primarily used to refer to skin colour, but also for cleanliness or emptiness.
Now, opposed to "blank" (white, for skin colour) there is "zwart" (for skin colour). Think about older English "a swart hound". We too have something like "black", like when there is a fire, things are "zwartgeblakerd". Given that blank also means emptiness, cleanliness, next to skin colour (but having nothing to do with it), it must mean that the opposide of white people (thus black people) are dirty, filthy, not clean, etc, according to some people that want to change the language. Therefore, our language must change, and "blank" cannot be used anymore for white skin colour, but instead we must say "wit". People can't get their head around the fact a word can have different meanings, which often have nothing to do with one another. But given the fact that it is not so easy to change this, they link it with slavery, so to make people who use "blank" feel guilty.
Quote from: bromides on June 01, 2022, 10:33:34 AM
When I played Battletech with a trans woman, I didn't even get Social Credit for it.
It was in the days before "social media". I didn't have the opportunity to virtue signal my worthiness! Q.Q
Seriously, gaming + queer/trans/whatever is still gaming. If these retards need to slap a label on it, then they're not gaming. They're being racist gatekeeper f*cktards who are ruining the hobby with their labels.
Well said.
Quote from: rytrasmi on June 01, 2022, 11:35:18 AM
Quote from: bromides on June 01, 2022, 10:33:34 AM
When I played Battletech with a trans woman, I didn't even get Social Credit for it.
It was in the days before "social media". I didn't have the opportunity to virtue signal my worthiness! Q.Q
Seriously, gaming + queer/trans/whatever is still gaming. If these retards need to slap a label on it, then they're not gaming. They're being racist gatekeeper f*cktards who are ruining the hobby with their labels.
Well said.
Thanks... I think anyone who has done any kind of public gaming at a convention (back in the pre-Plague era, when we did this sort of thing) probably has the exact same experience. It's insulting to be lectured by Wokes when we've already lived this. We don't need to be told these things.
As gamers, we already understand a diverse universe. I didn't have to be told anything about queers or trans or other races. We're already in this mindspace where there's a possibility of people outside of the concept of Self. So, for a gamer who is already open to the Other, a lecture on diversity is a pile of worthless garbage nonsense that is actively stupid.
We have enough passive stupidity in gaming. We don't need active stupidity.
Quite frankly, if someone needs a roleplaying manual to tell them that extreme racism isn't very good practice, then they're probably already f*cked in the head and no gaming book will change that.
A unironically utopian game universe? Now there is a roleplaying game about Personal Horror that I can buy into, unlike Vampire. (I'm a Vampire? AWESOME. Wait, I'm supposed to be sad and emo about this?! WTF?)
Quote from: bromides on June 01, 2022, 10:33:34 AM
When I played Battletech with a trans woman, I didn't even get Social Credit for it.
Sorry, one trans woman is not enough. No credit for you! ;D
Quote from: GhostNinja on June 01, 2022, 12:22:03 PM
Quote from: bromides on June 01, 2022, 10:33:34 AM
When I played Battletech with a trans woman, I didn't even get Social Credit for it.
Sorry, one trans woman is not enough. No credit for you! ;D
If you're right leaning you could game with only trans women, and you wouldnt get credit.
It's like the argument about dating. If you wont date a black woman, you're a bigot, if you will, you're a fetishist.
So clearly having a trans woman in your gaming group makes you a bigot.
Given the source of this claim, I think it can be attributed to the good old narcissism of internet/modern culture. They think things simply did not exist until they decided to start doing/participating in them. Issue I have is these same shits try to immediately start changing things once they become involved. They are terminal busy bodies and can not help themselves.
Quote from: oggsmash on June 01, 2022, 12:51:43 PM
Given the source of this claim, I think it can be attributed to the good old narcissism of internet/modern culture. They think things simply did not exist until they decided to start doing/participating in them. Issue I have is these same shits try to immediately start changing things once they become involved. They are terminal busy bodies and can not help themselves.
They're also completely guided by motivated reasoning, so I don't believe any claims people like these make about facing prejudice or victimization. For all I know they're interpreting any vaguely negative or even lukewarm interaction or odd quirky behavior as homophobia or whatever. Or are exaggerating real prejudicial comments they may have witnessed as some sort of rampant issue within TTRPGs, as opposed to it happening cuz prejudices exist and sometimes those people play games or engage in any other number of activities. Doesn't mean than they're more prevalent in there than in other areas of society.
I've played with gay, bi, lesbian, and transgendered players, do I get a triple word score or a bingo or something?
Quote from: Godsmonkey on June 01, 2022, 12:50:04 PM
Quote from: GhostNinja on June 01, 2022, 12:22:03 PM
Quote from: bromides on June 01, 2022, 10:33:34 AM
When I played Battletech with a trans woman, I didn't even get Social Credit for it.
Sorry, one trans woman is not enough. No credit for you! ;D
If you're right leaning you could game with only trans women, and you wouldnt get credit.
It's like the argument about dating. If you wont date a black woman, you're a bigot, if you will, you're a fetishist.
So clearly having a trans woman in your gaming group makes you a bigot.
Clearly, I need to start calling other people "Racist" or "Rape apologists", and then I'll be validated with Social Credit!!!
(Everyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi!!!!)
...
I feel like this kind of Progressive safe-space gaming is well intended, but ultimately ignorant.
They want to reduce bullying or exclusionary whatever... I get that.
Many of us experienced some kind of bullying, but we didn't shoot schoolchildren or become Hitler as a result.
IMO, it's not the bullying that is the essential issue here. It's not the tribalism (which these idiots are fighting by creating even worse forms of tribalism, but whatever.)
The whole expectation of "no bullying" safe spaces is over-wrought.
While we ought to minimize bullying, the lack of coping skills and the promotion of "special snowflake" education is the larger problem IMO.
If everything is a happy safe space, then when these snowflakes hit the real world, it's no wonder they react by planting bombs and double-tapping 10-year olds.
What we need are more unsafe spaces (including gaming) where there's honesty and reality. It's the limitation of their imaginations that leads to mental-social breakdowns, and the bullying is only a contributing factor.
Quote from: Godsmonkey on June 01, 2022, 12:50:04 PM
If you're right leaning you could game with only trans women, and you wouldnt get credit.
It's like the argument about dating. If you wont date a black woman, you're a bigot, if you will, you're a fetishist.
So clearly having a trans woman in your gaming group makes you a bigot.
Everything you are saying is true. But for the most part, I was kidding.
The only thing I see is bland people without personalities, imagination, or creativity, culturally appropriating the gamer culture and claiming it was colonized by white people?
Quote from: oggsmash on June 01, 2022, 12:51:43 PM
Given the source of this claim, I think it can be attributed to the good old narcissism of internet/modern culture. They think things simply did not exist until they decided to start doing/participating in them. Issue I have is these same shits try to immediately start changing things once they become involved. They are terminal busy bodies and can not help themselves.
Couldn't agree more. People just trying to start shit, that's all, nothing new.
Quote from: bromides on June 01, 2022, 02:15:34 PM
[Clearly, I need to start calling other people "Racist" or "Rape apologists", and then I'll be validated with Social Credit!!!
(Everyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi!!!!)
Reminds me what I told a reporter who talked to me about Violence in video games and whether video games make people more volant.
"Video games don't make people more violent and I will kill anyone who disagrees with me"
She looked at me blankly for a couple of seconds and said "I don't think we can use that quote"
What new GMing techniques do you use just because you are Black or Asian?
Quote from: crkrueger on June 01, 2022, 04:03:38 PM
What new GMing techniques do you use just because you are Black or Asian?
having played some very diverse games of spades, I could try to toss out a few stereotypes if you like?
Edited to add: Meaning IME, the Asians playing spades are playing in a much more reserved way than say a Black person. Which I should say Black guy, women, of all races seem to play pretty reserved as well, even when dropping balls.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on June 01, 2022, 10:50:10 AM
I just wanna fight some fuckin' dragons! Is that too much to ask?
Magic! That had me laughing out loud. Can I use that as a tag line?
I have not seen an influx in campaign settings that would suggest people of color are doing their part to pull the game away from Eurocentrism and I have to wonder why not if the theme of the link is in any way true.
Quote from: crkrueger on June 01, 2022, 04:03:38 PM
What new GMing techniques do you use just because you are Black or Asian?
That's a great question, the mechanics of the game or the story telling are well known. Sure, you can personalize the details, we all do, but the basic constructs are literally written down for everyone regardless of which horse they rode in on.
Quote from: Kerstmanneke82 on June 01, 2022, 05:04:17 AM
Last week or so I saw this article from the NYtimes:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/21/style/dungeons-and-dragons.html
I'll paste some interesting points here, what do you think?
"It's the newer generation of players who make D&D — and tabletop role-playing games generally — what it is today.
Connie Chang, a 24-year-old game master who runs "a semi-Tumblr-famous D&D meme blog," is the G.M. of Transplanar, "a non-colonial, anti-Orientalist" livestreamed game consisting entirely of players who are transgender and people of color.
"I really feel like marginalized people are the vanguard of making D&D blow up again," Mx. Chang said. "People say 'Stranger Things,' but I'm like, 'Nah, it's the queer community.'"
"Within the community, it's the Black folks, right?" Mx. Chang continued. "It's the Asian folks. It's the Indigenous folks. It's the people of color who are really bringing cool, innovative, fresh, much needed new blood and air and perspectives and voices and ways of G.M.ing and ways of playing to the space that would shake up an otherwise stale play community, straight up."
For all its fantastical otherworldliness, Dungeons & Dragons — created by Mr. Gygax when he was 36, and Mr. Arneson, at 27 — is deeply rooted in Eurocentric ideals of the Middle and Dark Ages. In interviews, players pointed to the work of J.R.R. Tolkien for inspiring entire races and subclasses within the D&D game that were built on racist tropes and reinforced harmful stereotypes. Players of different races, gender identities and sexual orientations cited instances of feeling unwelcome by legacy D&D players, by the game itself and by its history of straight white maleness and overt colonialism."
They state that it is they who were shunned at the tables of legacy D&D-players. I myself have been playing TTRPGs since 2016. I did know since the beginning of the 90s of one such thing as D&D but the books were impossible to come by. However, I have always been a nerd (for better or, mostly, for worse) and what kind of grinds my gears is that those who make D&D popular, as they say themselves, are exactly the ones who would bully us for being geeks and nerds. And I was picked upon for such interests. If anyone was marginalised, it must have been the nerds and geeks, not them. Because no-one cared about their gender or colour or whatever, back in the day.
So yeah, I think the resurgence of RPGs is partly due to the internet, true, as stated in the article, but also videogames in general (think Bioware). I think the "queer community" has only jumped on it once it was already on the rise and have contributed nothing to the popularity of the game outside of that subculture's boundaries.
What do you think?
"Success has many fathers, but failure is an orphan."
Quote from: ponta1010 on June 01, 2022, 05:29:46 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on June 01, 2022, 10:50:10 AM
I just wanna fight some fuckin' dragons! Is that too much to ask?
Magic! That had me laughing out loud. Can I use that as a tag line?
Go for it.
Honestly, that's what burns me about the wokeist infection these days. It sucks all the fun, all the wonder out of the game. No derring-do, no clutch rolls or clever tactics. Just gray blobs.
Come on. Swing from that fuckin' chandelier and land on the brigand captain boots first. Weave a spell that blows that werewolf out the window; let's see if he can regenerate falling out of a skyscraper. Swap the bag of sand for the idol and DON'T set off the giant boulder trap. Or do set it off, and outrun it.
Let's have some fun, dammit.
As long as it is pre approved fun that properly includes marginalized peoples and does not reinforce settler colonialism, then you are allowed one unit of fun, citizen.
/There are some guilty ass, self hating white people out there who are suckers for all kinds of bull sht.
Quote from: bromides on June 01, 2022, 09:08:25 PMThere are some guilty ass, self hating white people out there who are suckers for all kinds of bull sht.
Also the race grifters. If your black and have no dignity, you can make a pretty penny debasing yourself for cash.
"For all its fantastical otherworldliness, Dungeons & Dragons — created by Mr. Gygax when he was 36, and Mr. Arneson, at 27 — is deeply rooted in Eurocentric ideals of the Middle and Dark Ages. In interviews, players pointed to the work of J.R.R. Tolkien for inspiring entire races and subclasses within the D&D game that were built on racist tropes and reinforced harmful stereotypes. "
I have come to the conclusion that people who use "Eurocentric" as a bad thing are nuts. I find other cultures fascinating and enlightening, but it wasn't them who discovered antibiotics.
Quote from: Kerstmanneke82 on June 01, 2022, 05:04:17 AM
Last week or so I saw this article from the NYtimes:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/21/style/dungeons-and-dragons.html
I'll paste some interesting points here, what do you think?
"It's the newer generation of players who make D&D — and tabletop role-playing games generally — what it is today.
Connie Chang, a 24-year-old game master who runs "a semi-Tumblr-famous D&D meme blog," is the G.M. of Transplanar, "a non-colonial, anti-Orientalist" livestreamed game consisting entirely of players who are transgender and people of color.
"I really feel like marginalized people are the vanguard of making D&D blow up again," Mx. Chang said. "People say 'Stranger Things,' but I'm like, 'Nah, it's the queer community.'"
"Within the community, it's the Black folks, right?" Mx. Chang continued. "It's the Asian folks. It's the Indigenous folks. It's the people of color who are really bringing cool, innovative, fresh, much needed new blood and air and perspectives and voices and ways of G.M.ing and ways of playing to the space that would shake up an otherwise stale play community, straight up."
I have not seen anything even mildly interesting out of the transasianpeopleofcolornoncolonialantiorientalismsocialistmarxistdobahdeeimbluedabadow community.
Frankly, I find their "persepctive" stale and tiresome.
Quote from: Trond on June 01, 2022, 11:50:41 PM
"For all its fantastical otherworldliness, Dungeons & Dragons — created by Mr. Gygax when he was 36, and Mr. Arneson, at 27 — is deeply rooted in Eurocentric ideals of the Middle and Dark Ages. In interviews, players pointed to the work of J.R.R. Tolkien for inspiring entire races and subclasses within the D&D game that were built on racist tropes and reinforced harmful stereotypes. "
I have come to the conclusion that people who use "Eurocentric" as a bad thing are nuts. I find other cultures fascinating and enlightening, but it wasn't them who discovered antibiotics.
It's the narrow and myopic view of oppressor and oppressed identity politics. Every culture had it's share of sins and greatness and failures and foibiles.
But not to the activists...
Quote from: Ratman_tf on June 02, 2022, 12:35:05 AM
Quote from: Kerstmanneke82 on June 01, 2022, 05:04:17 AM
Last week or so I saw this article from the NYtimes:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/21/style/dungeons-and-dragons.html
I'll paste some interesting points here, what do you think?
"It's the newer generation of players who make D&D — and tabletop role-playing games generally — what it is today.
Connie Chang, a 24-year-old game master who runs "a semi-Tumblr-famous D&D meme blog," is the G.M. of Transplanar, "a non-colonial, anti-Orientalist" livestreamed game consisting entirely of players who are transgender and people of color.
"I really feel like marginalized people are the vanguard of making D&D blow up again," Mx. Chang said. "People say 'Stranger Things,' but I'm like, 'Nah, it's the queer community.'"
"Within the community, it's the Black folks, right?" Mx. Chang continued. "It's the Asian folks. It's the Indigenous folks. It's the people of color who are really bringing cool, innovative, fresh, much needed new blood and air and perspectives and voices and ways of G.M.ing and ways of playing to the space that would shake up an otherwise stale play community, straight up."
I have not seen anything even mildly interesting out of the transasianpeopleofcolornoncolonialantiorientalismsocialistmarxistdobahdeeimbluedabadow community.
Frankly, I find their "persepctive" stale and tiresome.
Exactly. This shit just gets asserted into existence, just like every other claim coming from these critters. They have absolutely nothing of value to offer. This is 100% about pushing their dogma on other people and defining reality according to their whims. Not about identifying actual problems in society or in games, or proposing real solutions, but creating them and feeding their narcissistic neurosis.
Quote from: Kerstmanneke82 on June 01, 2022, 11:20:20 AM
In English, you can say "white" for both your skin colour and the colour of paper or snow.
I've seen people making faces whenever the word white comes up and theres been some nuts in colleges spouting how the word white is "racist" here as well.
You have to ever bear in mind that these people are not even remotely sane and will sooner or later hallucinate absolutely anything on earth as offensive. Up to and including demanding minorities no longer use any "offensive" words either. This cult mentality has increasingly infested RPGs to the current point.
It is also a power play by controlling language and creating traps that anyone can fall into and thus be accused.
Welcome to gaming under the new regime which is the old regime which was itself the older regime. This time its exponentially worse.
Quote from: Omega on June 02, 2022, 02:43:11 PM
Quote from: Kerstmanneke82 on June 01, 2022, 11:20:20 AM
In English, you can say "white" for both your skin colour and the colour of paper or snow.
I've seen people making faces whenever the word white comes up and theres been some nuts in colleges spouting how the word white is "racist" here as well.
You have to ever bear in mind that these people are not even remotely sane and will sooner or later hallucinate absolutely anything on earth as offensive. Up to and including demanding minorities no longer use any "offensive" words either. This cult mentality has increasingly infested RPGs to the current point.
It is also a power play by controlling language and creating traps that anyone can fall into and thus be accused.
Welcome to gaming under the new regime which is the old regime which was itself the older regime. This time its exponentially worse.
I would like to add a codicil to this: sometimes it's not that they're insane, it's that they're grifting. They know the line is bullshit, but they use it because they're trying to get something out of it.
Quote from: crkrueger on June 01, 2022, 04:03:38 PM
What new GMing techniques do you use just because you are Black or Asian?
Kefra, one of my old players from Africa, brought to the table as a DM some interesting insights into outdoor survival and melee combat, and just how lethal good ol mother nature can be even when you have a sword and a shield.
I think the better comparison is, "What life experiences do you bring to the table?" colour and race are irrelevant to that in some ways. But certainly not all.
Quote from: Omega on June 02, 2022, 02:59:47 PM
Quote from: crkrueger on June 01, 2022, 04:03:38 PM
What new GMing techniques do you use just because you are Black or Asian?
Kefra, one of my old players from Africa, brought to the table as a DM some interesting insights into outdoor survival and melee combat, and just how lethal good ol mother nature can be even when you have a sword and a shield.
I think the better comparison is, "What life experiences do you bring to the table?" colour and race are irrelevant to that in some ways. But certainly not all.
I'd be interested in that game. No tokenism, just 'here's a new way to look at it'.
I hate how the woke have replaced life experience (practical knowledge of particular cultures and environments you lived in and associated skills knowledge) with "lived experience" (of racism).
Quote from: VisionStorm on June 02, 2022, 07:28:16 AMExactly. This shit just gets asserted into existence, just like every other claim coming from these critters.
Yup.
Step 1: "As a lifelong fan of X who is a Y, I and my Y friends have been major contributors to X."
Step 1 Alt: "As a person of Y that hates X and everything it stands for."
Step 2: "I have felt major hostilities from the existing white/male/traditional/not Y fans, in vague unprovable ways."
Step 3: "So I demand X be changed to my specifications".
I am glad that more and more people are finding their way to the hobby. However I am not distressed by their blatant gate-keeping.
When I started playing RPG's in the '80's I used to catch physical beatings for playing role-playing games. I do not fucking care what these people think of me.