The OSR SJWs are going after moderate liberals now. Their increasing ferocity suggests they realize they're losing their grip.





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We're already seeing Hypernormalization, and the purity spiral getting out of hand.  I feel bad for the legit hardworking people that are keeping their head down, not getting targeted directly, but will still loose their jobs either through forced hiring processes, or the inevitable decline of companies that can't keep solvent by chasing away their actual customers.

Meatball, Claimer of Attention, Destroyer of Books. Look on her works, ye mighty, and despair! (I have no idea how to get coffee stains out of books, sorry, other than new books.)

Here's the Studio Ghibli reaction rolls idea -- https://falsemachine.blogspot.com/2020/05/soft-ass-d.html It sounds to me like it could be really fun, especially as a way to introduce alternate challenges (more puzzles, more questing). Courtesy vs. charisma is interesting too.

The catch-22 of the SJW movement is that, like you said, the more people they demonize the more enemies they make, yet they have to keep demonizing more and more people for more and more trivial reasons to constantly show that they are more enlightened and woke than others.  And in our circle we'll see them going after more and more innocuous games, finding/making up objectionable things to continually prove their credentials. It's not enough for a game to be apolitical, it has to actively push their agenda, at the expense of actual gameplay if necessary.

Quote from: insubordinate polyhedral;1140363Meatball, Claimer of Attention, Destroyer of Books. Look on her works, ye mighty, and despair! (I have no idea how to get coffee stains out of books, sorry, other than new books.)

Here's the Studio Ghibli reaction rolls idea -- https://falsemachine.blogspot.com/2020/05/soft-ass-d.html It sounds to me like it could be really fun, especially as a way to introduce alternate challenges (more puzzles, more questing). Courtesy vs. charisma is interesting too.

A fine addition to my collection.

Enjoyed the video.

My one-sentence summary: A vocal minority have continued to move the line on us, so now we have alt-right bears to worry about.

My God, eventually this has to critical mass and fall off the cliff.

One can never be woke enough.

Unfortunately for them I'll not turn down a good product even if the author murders trans-tiefling kittens for fun on live tv. If Hitler himself made a decent module (mein kampf is unreadable trash and not a module) I'd play that shit too, same for stalin or even satan. There is a certain sense of relevance that must apply for me, what an author does in their spare time is to me completely irrelevant. Putting woke pride parades in the gaming product would be relevant and a reason to boycott, putting promotion of real world racial superiority of some sort in the product would be relevant; the author saying stupid shit outside of that, or beating their wifes son, or donating money to whatever is simply not relevant. Putting an admonition in the product that i should support either hitler or stalin would be relevant.

I will not acknowledge as valid the notion that one should be able to cancel production of a product because of things not relevant to that product. Adults are expected to keep their personal beliefs separate from their professional duties, not demand the duties change to dovetail with the beliefs; (a cop might believe all trans people should be exterminated but is expected to treat them the same as any other person, to view it any other way demands thought policing) I expect a similar paradigm in producing gaming content; shit not directly relevant to the game or its products gets dismissed, "oh pundit once said a mean thing about gays we must no longer allow his products to be sold"...uh no, unless he said it IN the gaming product I don't care and you should be forced to buy his product to atone for the attempt at thought policing.

I hope this is all relevant and in line with the topic and doesn't cross the no-politics line.

The OSR is dying. And I mean that literally. Every year more founding OSR members are passing away or getting cancelled/disowned. They are being replaced by kids that think OSR just means "rules lite" or "dungeon crawling". People whose recommended OSR game is Dungeon World or Torchbearer.

If the OSR does outlive WotC, it will be unrecognizable.

The most recommended OSR games I'm seeing on other forums are OSE and Basic Fantasy. OSE in particular got recommended so much on reddit people started up threads asking why it was recommended so much since it was basically just stock B/X.

Quote from: Slipshot762;1140438Unfortunately for them I'll not turn down a good product even if the author murders trans-tiefling kittens for fun on live tv. If Hitler himself made a decent module (mein kampf is unreadable trash and not a module) I'd play that shit too, same for stalin or even satan. There is a certain sense of relevance that must apply for me, what an author does in their spare time is to me completely irrelevant. Putting woke pride parades in the gaming product would be relevant and a reason to boycott, putting promotion of real world racial superiority of some sort in the product would be relevant; the author saying stupid shit outside of that, or beating their wifes son, or donating money to whatever is simply not relevant. Putting an admonition in the product that i should support either hitler or stalin would be relevant.

I will not acknowledge as valid the notion that one should be able to cancel production of a product because of things not relevant to that product. Adults are expected to keep their personal beliefs separate from their professional duties, not demand the duties change to dovetail with the beliefs; (a cop might believe all trans people should be exterminated but is expected to treat them the same as any other person, to view it any other way demands thought policing) I expect a similar paradigm in producing gaming content; shit not directly relevant to the game or its products gets dismissed, "oh pundit once said a mean thing about gays we must no longer allow his products to be sold"...uh no, unless he said it IN the gaming product I don't care and you should be forced to buy his product to atone for the attempt at thought policing.

I hope this is all relevant and in line with the topic and doesn't cross the no-politics line.

Your view is refreshing, and closer to my own than most.

In an era where in many places I cannot see a thread go by complaining about the conservative sins of some publisher, or here where I cannot read a thread without hearing about the liberal sins of some publisher, it's nice to hear someone say they just don't care about the perceived sins of publishers and it comes down to the product itself.

Quote from: Mistwell;1140657Your view is refreshing, and closer to my own than most.

In an era where in many places I cannot see a thread go by complaining about the conservative sins of some publisher, or here where I cannot read a thread without hearing about the liberal sins of some publisher, it's not to hear someone say they just don't care about the perceived sins of publishers and it comes down to the product itself.

Even if I like the product I will no longer give money to a company that flips the bird to customers that are guilty of 'wrongthink'.  

Now if they have a 'neutral' public face, I don't necessarily care what they do or believe; as long as it doesn't 'bleed into' the product where it feels out of place/jarring.  If their alleged medieval fantasy game is actually post-modern commentary and Burger Kings Kids Klub one-of-everything-diversity where it doesn't make sense, I'm out.  Likewise, if its Sons of Jesus Bible studies Battles, hard pass.

Quote from: LiferGamer;1140665Even if I like the product I will no longer give money to a company that flips the bird to customers that are guilty of 'wrongthink'.

Yes. I know. That seems to be the prominent opinion around here. It's coming from the same place as liberals who are boycotting companies for what they perceive as wrongthing. It's just each side thinks different stuff is wrongthink. And I don't give a damn about what either side thinks is wrongthink.

Quote from: hedgehobbit;1140650The OSR is dying. And I mean that literally. Every year more founding OSR members are passing away or getting cancelled/disowned. They are being replaced by kids that think OSR just means "rules lite" or "dungeon crawling". People whose recommended OSR game is Dungeon World or Torchbearer.

If the OSR does outlive WotC, it will be unrecognizable.

Then it's up to us to keep the torch lit for the next generation and go against the grain. I'm young and I know I'll do what I can.

Quote from: Mistwell;1140676Yes. I know. That seems to be the prominent opinion around here. It's coming from the same place as liberals who are boycotting companies for what they perceive as wrongthing. It's just each side thinks different stuff is wrongthink. And I don't give a damn about what either side thinks is wrongthink.

I agree. People who refuse to give their money to, associate with or promote those who treat them like shit and/or promote an antagonistic political agenda are 100% the same as those who go out of their to--not only disassociate with--but attempt to outright cancel and smear people or products that merely fail to conform with their political agenda (sometimes in a strictly superficial or entirely subjective way). These two things are 100% analogous and not in any conceivable way falsely equivalent.