People continue to claim that the "OSR is dying" (or dead). But do the stats actually support that? In this video, you get the hard data!
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Well, that's not something I expected, turns out you've a greater chance of successfully funding your product if it's OSR than if it's 5e or any other RPG system!

But, you'll get more money IF it's 5e AND it's successfully funded.

Interesting, good thing I'm not making a 5e or Revival game, my thing is Renaissance.

If I learned anything from my few statistics classes, then it's that statistics are weird.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on June 12, 2024, 02:03:26 PMIf I learned anything from my few statistics classes, then it's that statistics are weird.

Plus you need more math/statistics to see if the statistics are statistically meaningful. (Don't forget to adjust for multiple testing! LOL)

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on June 12, 2024, 02:03:26 PMIf I learned anything from my few statistics classes, then it's that statistics are weird.

I once heard that 80% of statistics are made up.   

Being serious and on topic, I am not sure where the pundit heard that the OSR is dying.  Nothing I have read shows anyone saying that.  I am in many different OSR groups and on different forums and no one is saying that.

Quote from: Tod13 on June 12, 2024, 02:52:05 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on June 12, 2024, 02:03:26 PMIf I learned anything from my few statistics classes, then it's that statistics are weird.

Plus you need more math/statistics to see if the statistics are statistically meaningful. (Don't forget to adjust for multiple testing! LOL)

Maths is from da DEVIL Bobby Boucher!

Quote from: GhostNinja on June 12, 2024, 07:26:01 PMBeing serious and on topic, I am not sure where the pundit heard that the OSR is dying.  Nothing I have read shows anyone saying that.  I am in many different OSR groups and on different forums and no one is saying that.

The leftists claim it every little while. Jeffro's BroSR recently claimed the same. I said so in the video.

Quote from: RPGPundit on June 13, 2024, 10:23:14 AMThe leftists claim it every little while. Jeffro's BroSR recently claimed the same. I said so in the video.

I am not sure what politics have to do with it.  They may be leftists, they may not be.  They may just be assholes.  All hobbies have them.

Can you point to any of the comments saying this? Because I haven't seen it.

Most likely just a vocal minority with an axe to grind.  Either way they aren't hurting the OSR at all.  It is still grinding out new products and gains more people as Wizards continues to screw up.

Hello,

I think your analysis minimizes the impacts of both the announced OneD&D release and the OGL fiasco. Both of those likely caused reductions in both plans for 5E-related crowd funding and sales of 5E-based products.

Can you share a link to the article you used for your analysis?


Thanks!

Lou Prosperi

Quote from: LouProsperi on June 13, 2024, 11:37:24 AMHello,

I think your analysis minimizes the impacts of both the announced OneD&D release and the OGL fiasco. Both of those likely caused reductions in both plans for 5E-related crowd funding and sales of 5E-based products.

Can you share a link to the article you used for your analysis?


Thanks!

Lou Prosperi

It's on the video.

OMG! The OSR is dying! Oh shit!

(quickly checks if OSR material is still available online)

OH wait. We're fine...Stuff still there.

Seriously, it's not dying as RPGPundit addressed. IT's not going away. There's thousands of good quality material available just on drivethrurpg.net.

I think people lack perspective. Turn back the clock 40+ years pre-internet. Folks who've been part of the hobby that long ago, we were BEGGING for new material. The RPG industry was small. SUPER small. You had TSR, FASA, Games Workshop, Steve Jackson Games were some of the "Biggies" back then. Self-published was a tiny cottage industry, and was extremely difficult to do.

Today? Again, literally THOUSANDS of OSR titles are available, let alone many publishers have released older versions of their products. Why? Because there's demand for it. Stuff that was OOP (out of print) for years is now available online. Hard to find stuff. Went to SJG Warehouse23 website to see if GURPS Conan was available and by God it is. Hard to find titles not so hard to find now.

Also, is is much easier to self-publish now. Shit, RPGPundit is proof it. Just look at his drivethrurpg.net pages. Back in the day, he would be considered a MAJOR player in the RPG industry. Because the RPG industry is so broad and wide today, he's just one of many PRG publishers putting out good quality products.

The OSR isn't dead or dying. Just like the rest of the PRG industry, it's not concentrated to a handful of publishers. It's dispersed among thousands of self-publishers. IMO, that's a good thing. We have choices. A lot of choices. The more the merrier and the market will separate the wheat from the chaff.

Quote from: GhostNinja on June 13, 2024, 10:27:49 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit on June 13, 2024, 10:23:14 AMThe leftists claim it every little while. Jeffro's BroSR recently claimed the same. I said so in the video.

I am not sure what politics have to do with it.  They may be leftists, they may not be.  They may just be assholes.  All hobbies have them.

Can you point to any of the comments saying this? Because I haven't seen it.

Most likely just a vocal minority with an axe to grind.  Either way they aren't hurting the OSR at all.  It is still grinding out new products and gains more people as Wizards continues to screw up.

Given that you couldn't even bother to watch the video, why the fuck should I do your job for you and look up stuff on social media for you?

How about you go fuck yourself. I've pointed out Swordream, The "OSR IS DEAD" claim before that. I get told that sort of bullshit at least once every month even when there's not a mass movement happening determined to destroy the OSR because of the reasons I elaborated in my video.

Watch my fucking videos, prick, before you post on ANY thread on my videos again.

Quote from: LouProsperi on June 13, 2024, 11:37:24 AMHello,

I think your analysis minimizes the impacts of both the announced OneD&D release and the OGL fiasco. Both of those likely caused reductions in both plans for 5E-related crowd funding and sales of 5E-based products.

Can you share a link to the article you used for your analysis?


Thanks!

Lou Prosperi

For THREE YEARS?


Also, if you want the link WATCH MY FUCKING VIDEO, where I tell you where the link is found.

Quote from: blackstone on June 13, 2024, 12:26:36 PMOMG! The OSR is dying! Oh shit!

(quickly checks if OSR material is still available online)

OH wait. We're fine...Stuff still there.

Seriously, it's not dying as RPGPundit addressed. IT's not going away. There's thousands of good quality material available just on drivethrurpg.net.

I think people lack perspective. Turn back the clock 40+ years pre-internet. Folks who've been part of the hobby that long ago, we were BEGGING for new material. The RPG industry was small. SUPER small. You had TSR, FASA, Games Workshop, Steve Jackson Games were some of the "Biggies" back then. Self-published was a tiny cottage industry, and was extremely difficult to do.

Today? Again, literally THOUSANDS of OSR titles are available, let alone many publishers have released older versions of their products. Why? Because there's demand for it. Stuff that was OOP (out of print) for years is now available online. Hard to find stuff. Went to SJG Warehouse23 website to see if GURPS Conan was available and by God it is. Hard to find titles not so hard to find now.

Also, is is much easier to self-publish now. Shit, RPGPundit is proof it. Just look at his drivethrurpg.net pages. Back in the day, he would be considered a MAJOR player in the RPG industry. Because the RPG industry is so broad and wide today, he's just one of many PRG publishers putting out good quality products.

The OSR isn't dead or dying. Just like the rest of the PRG industry, it's not concentrated to a handful of publishers. It's dispersed among thousands of self-publishers. IMO, that's a good thing. We have choices. A lot of choices. The more the merrier and the market will separate the wheat from the chaff.

Correct. Also, Baptism of Fire just hit Gold Bestseller, and has been #1 OSR bestseller on Drivethru for over 6 weeks now.