The ORC License is out

estar · July 19, 2023, 02:12:45 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 19, 2023, 01:46:42 PM
So I need to hire a publisher (about 50% if they agree to go for a cut of sales and not for money upfront), then hire an IP attorney, any other expense you want me to add instead of just using stuff licensed under an open license?

The only issue you face at the moment, is that the license for the content you want to sue is not very clear as to what the author is giving permission for. So that means there is an element of risk for you. I personally would not be comfortable adapting that person's material without communicating with them first. If he said he was OK under CC-BY then I would not have a problem in that case.

I had a situation where I wanted to adapt an Adventurer Conqueror King subsystem (trade rules) for my own supplement under CC-BY. So I went and messaged @amacris first and asked.

GeekyBugle · July 19, 2023, 02:19:03 PM

Quote from: estar on July 19, 2023, 02:12:45 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 19, 2023, 01:46:42 PM
So I need to hire a publisher (about 50% if they agree to go for a cut of sales and not for money upfront), then hire an IP attorney, any other expense you want me to add instead of just using stuff licensed under an open license?
The only issue you face at the moment, is that the license for the content you want to sue is not very clear as to what the author is giving permission for. So that means there is an element of risk for you. I personally would not be comfortable adapting that person's material without communicating with them first. If he said he was OK under CC-BY then I would not have a problem in that case.

I had a situation where I wanted to adapt an Adventurer Conqueror King subsystem (trade rules) for my own supplement under CC-BY. So I went and messaged @amacris first and asked.

What I wanted to do with 3DT+ is irrelevant, I'm not touching that with a ten foot pole.

I'm talking in more general terms, about using your stuff for instance or using stuff from BRP in contrast.

I have been developing a game for a while now, since the OGL debacle I'm purging it from any WotKKK owned IP or anything that could be mistaken for it and reworking the language so as to be on the clear. It will be published under the ORC almost for sure, or I'll make an SRD (if I can be arsed to) and put that under CC BY.

Scooter · July 19, 2023, 03:33:32 PM

Quote from: estar on July 19, 2023, 02:07:43 PM
I have considerable experience in publishing and if one is willing to do the scut work and do the homework.

NOT by your questions you don't.

GeekyBugle · July 19, 2023, 04:06:15 PM

Quote from: Scooter on July 19, 2023, 03:33:32 PM
Quote from: estar on July 19, 2023, 02:07:43 PM
I have considerable experience in publishing and if one is willing to do the scut work and do the homework.

NOT by your questions you don't.

OMG, you REALLY are that stupid! Just let me get the popcorn this is gunna be gut.

DocJones · July 19, 2023, 07:22:39 PM

Five pages of legal word salad.
The ORC license is shit, IMNSHO.

Anon Adderlan · July 20, 2023, 04:09:25 PM

So here's a very simple test for exactly how much the ORC protects you from lawsuits, which is its primary purpose: What is the basis for determining if a violation has taken place? Because if you can't answer that clearly, then someone will do so for you in a court of law should they choose to.

Quote from: Ruprecht on July 17, 2023, 07:16:42 PM
The license is nice if you copy information from the SRD to create a game quicker.

The ORC was specifically designed to avoid the need for an SRD.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 18, 2023, 01:54:26 PM
Lets not forget the systems that aren't D&D and were put under the OGL to open them to the masses:

OpenD6, Open Core/Anime, Action!, Cepheus Engine...

What guarantee is there that WotKKK won't go back on their word and rescind the OGL? How would that affect those systems/games? What about the games based on them?

#WotC cannot invalidate a contract they are not a party to even if they wrote the contract. So those are fine. Moreover the OGL can simply be revised and relicensed by anyone now that it's under the CC-BY.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 19, 2023, 01:46:42 PM
So I need to hire a publisher (about 50% if they agree to go for a cut of sales and not for money upfront), then hire an IP attorney, any other expense you want me to add ~~instead of~~ in addition to just using stuff licensed under an open license?

#FTFY

Quote from: estar on July 19, 2023, 02:12:45 PM
The only issue you face at the moment, is that the license for the content you want to sue is not very clear as to what the author is giving permission for.

You don't say.

GeekyBugle · July 20, 2023, 04:16:17 PM

Quote from: Anon Adderlan on July 20, 2023, 04:09:25 PM
So here's a very simple test for exactly how much the ORC protects you from lawsuits, which is its primary purpose: What is the basis for determining if a violation has taken place? Because if you can't answer that clearly, then someone will do so for you in a court of law should they choose to.

Quote from: Ruprecht on July 17, 2023, 07:16:42 PM
The license is nice if you copy information from the SRD to create a game quicker.

The ORC was specifically designed to avoid the need for an SRD.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 18, 2023, 01:54:26 PM
Lets not forget the systems that aren't D&D and were put under the OGL to open them to the masses:

OpenD6, Open Core/Anime, Action!, Cepheus Engine...

What guarantee is there that WotKKK won't go back on their word and rescind the OGL? How would that affect those systems/games? What about the games based on them?

#WotC cannot invalidate a contract they are not a party to even if they wrote the contract. So those are fine. Moreover the OGL can simply be revised and relicensed by anyone now that it's under the CC-BY.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 19, 2023, 01:46:42 PM
So I need to hire a publisher (about 50% if they agree to go for a cut of sales and not for money upfront), then hire an IP attorney, any other expense you want me to add ~~instead of~~ in addition to just using stuff licensed under an open license?

#FTFY

Quote from: estar on July 19, 2023, 02:12:45 PM
The only issue you face at the moment, is that the license for the content you want to sue is not very clear as to what the author is giving permission for.

You don't say.

Bolding mine.

Wait, the OGL was put under the CC BY? Where and when? Can you link to that?

BadApple · July 20, 2023, 04:22:56 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 20, 2023, 04:16:17 PM
Wait, the OGL was put under the CC BY? Where and when? Can you link to that?

I believe this is what he's referring to: https://screenrant.com/dnd-ogl-update-srd-creative-commons-dungeons-dragons/#:~:text=As%20announced%20on%20Twitter%20via%20the%20D%26D%20Beyond,under%20a%20Creative%20Commons%20Attribution%204.0%20International%20License.

It's not the OGL, it's the SRD. The OGL1.0a has been covered under a "in purpituity" clause that my wife explains as WOTC sort of releasing to the wild. They still own it but it's now a public domain document for all intent and purposes. There was more legalize in the explanation but that's the gist of it. I'm so glad I'm not a lawyer.

estar · July 22, 2023, 06:16:39 AM

Quote from: Scooter on July 19, 2023, 03:33:32 PM
Quote from: estar on July 19, 2023, 02:07:43 PM
I have considerable experience in publishing and if one is willing to do the scut work and do the homework.

NOT by your questions you don't.

I guess you are right and the fact I had 11 gold sellers on DriveThruRPG and currently 8,338 total sales as Bat in the Attic Games along with 20,000+ downloads of Blackmarsh means I haven't learned anything.

On second thought I think I will let the folks here judge for themselves whether the comments and advice I give are useful to them.

tenbones · July 25, 2023, 10:46:59 AM

LOL burn.