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The Old School Renaissance Primer

Started by estar, June 07, 2012, 09:27:02 PM

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StormBringer

#15
June 08, 2012, 10:06:10 AM
Quote from: Benoist;547073I don't have the quote handy, but the thinking behind organizing OSRIC spells alphabetically was and is that its not conceived to replace, but supplement AD&D's use at the game table, so you can have both available to you as you play.
That sounds reasonable, except for the named spells are now scattered all over the list, like the various Bigby's Hand or Mordenkainen spells.  A rather small annoyance, I suppose, for having what amounts to a spell index.
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#16
June 08, 2012, 10:21:06 AM
I see what you mean. At the same time, those names are obviously WotC owned IP (LE SIGH), and coming up with placeholder's would have been lame, let's be honest.

LordVreeg

#17
June 08, 2012, 08:12:08 PM
Butcher, nice list.  Good job, and good descriptions.
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#18
June 08, 2012, 08:38:32 PM
thanks to the OP for the links, but moreso to Butcher, for explaining the differences between all them thar OSR thingies :D definitely deserves the sticky treatment, IMO

Bobloblah

#19
June 08, 2012, 09:21:46 PM
Cool list, thanks! There were a couple on their I hadn't heard of. Been meaning to download and try out Stars Without Number for a while now.
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#20
June 08, 2012, 09:42:32 PM
Quote from: thedungeondelver;547002"Play AD&D."

AD&D?! Why.....I love Dragonlance! :)

flyerfan1991

#21
June 08, 2012, 11:12:21 PM
Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb;547192AD&D?! Why.....I love Dragonlance! :)

Touche!

Benoist

#22
June 09, 2012, 12:02:13 AM
Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb;547192AD&D?! Why.....I love Dragonlance! :)

You misspelled "Greyhawk"..

DestroyYouAlot

#23
June 09, 2012, 01:53:11 AM
OP looks great.  One caveat:  I really feel some mention should be made of HackMaster.  While it's debatable whether it's a part of the "OSR proper", its publication was an early sign of things to come (2001!), and it's certainly notable in that it uses the AD&D engine after WotC officially "killed it".  What's more, it definitely helped to spark interest in the old ways at a time when that wasn't fashionable, yet.  Just my two cents.
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#24
June 09, 2012, 03:19:00 AM
Quote from: Benoist;547077I see what you mean. At the same time, those names are obviously WotC owned IP (LE SIGH), and coming up with placeholder's would have been lame, let's be honest.
Absolutely.  Mordenkainen could have been replaced with "Mystic" to keep those spells in the same(ish) area, but I am not coming up with anything off the top of my head for Bigby.  Bewitching?  Not a whole lot out there without really making it sound stilted.  

In any case, if a word starting with a different letter were used, it would sound terrible and rather defeat the purpose of alphabetizing.
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#25
June 09, 2012, 09:48:22 AM
Quote from: DestroyYouAlot;547231OP looks great.  One caveat:  I really feel some mention should be made of HackMaster.  While it's debatable whether it's a part of the "OSR proper", its publication was an early sign of things to come (2001!), and it's certainly notable in that it uses the AD&D engine after WotC officially "killed it".  What's more, it definitely helped to spark interest in the old ways at a time when that wasn't fashionable, yet.  Just my two cents.

I dunno. I always found HackMaster to be more like a 3e spin-off with faux old-school furniture.

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#26
June 09, 2012, 02:04:04 PM
Hackmaster was doing the "Second Wave" of the OSR before the "First Wave" started. ;)

Hackmaster4e was AD&D+.  True, it had an actual skill system (as opposed to proficiency slots) like 3e, but the idea of Talents, Quirks, Flaws, and Skills was all a part of Hackmaster way before 3e (as evidenced in KoDT.)
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Benoist

#27
June 09, 2012, 02:08:19 PM
LOL @ "AD&D+". :D You don't do "AD&D+". AD&D is already Advanced. :D

crkrueger

#28
June 09, 2012, 02:21:26 PM
Quote from: Benoist;547316LOL @ "AD&D+". :D You don't do "AD&D+". AD&D is already Advanced. :D
Compared to Hackmaster it ain't. :p  Hackmaster went to 11.
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Benoist

#29
June 09, 2012, 02:39:28 PM
Quote from: CRKrueger;547324Compared to Hackmaster it ain't. :p  Hackmaster went to 11.

Yeah, in a kind of "here's what a caricature of AD&D would look like for you retards" kind of way, I know.

That's not what I call "Advanced". :D
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