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The OGL Leak Shows a Big Hasbro Mistake

Started by RPGPundit, January 06, 2023, 03:12:17 PM

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Steven Mitchell

#15
January 06, 2023, 11:45:29 PM
Quote from: Lynn on January 06, 2023, 07:49:29 PM
So stop buying Hasbro products right now. Do not buy any new 5e products or services. In your interactions with others online, if they talk about buying 5e products, tell them why you've stopped.


I started that about 18 months ago, and by last fall I'd gradually worked around to everyone that is part of my old D&D games. 

My next step is that not only will I not buy any WotC or Hasbro product, I will also not buy from anyone that caves into this and adopts OneD&D or the new license.  Not a single dime for any product that they produce, even if it has nothing to do with D&D, WotC, or Hasbro.  So my reasons for that will now be propagating out to my circle of gamers. 

They are wrong about one thing, too.  It's true that GMs buy more than players, 1:1.  In my circle, the total buys by players dwarfs what the GMs buys.  I wonder sometimes how many circles of gamers are largely off the web, with the GM the only one informed about these shenanigans, and then those players quietly follow along where the GM goes.

Yabba

#16
January 07, 2023, 09:33:36 AM
Quote from: Semaj Khan on January 06, 2023, 10:08:51 PM
The ones you interact with probably aren't overly concerned with the stock price of HASBRO... or am I wrong?

Some of them actually are. Believe me they aren't all as ignorant as they can seem. There's just a lot of them for better and for worse.
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#18
January 07, 2023, 10:36:36 AM
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Ruprecht

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January 07, 2023, 11:05:41 AM Last Edit: January 07, 2023, 11:07:30 AM by Ruprecht
WotC wants a lifestyle brand out of D&D and wants a successful movie launch to start the ball rolling.
But first, they release this OGL stuff to ensure everyone hates them.

Betting it all and then setting the challenge to God mode difficulty when they didn't need to is a bold move.
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Chris24601

#20
January 07, 2023, 11:11:51 AM
Quote from: Ruprecht on January 07, 2023, 11:05:41 AM
WotC wants a lifestyle brand out of D&D and wants a successful movie launch to start the ball rolling.
But first, they release this OGL stuff to ensure everyone hates them.

Betting it all and then setting the challenge to God mode difficulty when they didn't need to is a bold move.
I wasn't planning on seeing what's clearly just an MCU clone in Renfair drag even before this (not to mention Chris Pine playing the same basic character he does in every film he appears in). Now I almost feel like protesting outside any local theatre (not that many left these days) that actually shows it.

Lynn

#21
January 07, 2023, 11:45:04 AM
Quote from: Steven Mitchell on January 06, 2023, 11:45:29 PM

My next step is that not only will I not buy any WotC or Hasbro product, I will also not buy from anyone that caves into this and adopts OneD&D or the new license.  Not a single dime for any product that they produce, even if it has nothing to do with D&D, WotC, or Hasbro.  So my reasons for that will now be propagating out to my circle of gamers. 

They are wrong about one thing, too.  It's true that GMs buy more than players, 1:1.  In my circle, the total buys by players dwarfs what the GMs buys.  I wonder sometimes how many circles of gamers are largely off the web, with the GM the only one informed about these shenanigans, and then those players quietly follow along where the GM goes.

They probably have some useful data to back up claims as regards to customer value of DMs, but given also that there are different motivations to buy (some buy because they just want to read content they won't use, they are some type of collector, etc) it isn't all that black and white. But I also think that DMs and these other types are more likely to be aware of what's going on in the industry. I think just about every D&D related channel on Youtube at this point has chimed in, making it really hard to miss.
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Jam The MF

#22
January 07, 2023, 01:46:16 PM Last Edit: January 07, 2023, 01:48:57 PM by Jam The MF
Quote from: Ruprecht on January 07, 2023, 11:05:41 AM
WotC wants a lifestyle brand out of D&D and wants a successful movie launch to start the ball rolling.
But first, they release this OGL stuff to ensure everyone hates them.

Betting it all and then setting the challenge to God mode difficulty when they didn't need to is a bold move.

It is either Bold, or Foolish.  Probably Both.
Let the Dice, Decide the Outcome.  Accept the Results.

Gegilles

#23
January 07, 2023, 02:13:29 PM
I know the official word hasn't been released, but do we have any clarity on the 1.0 OGL for the OSR moving forward?

Jam The MF

#24
January 07, 2023, 03:19:57 PM
Quote from: Gegilles on January 07, 2023, 02:13:29 PM
I know the official word hasn't been released, but do we have any clarity on the 1.0 OGL for the OSR moving forward?

No true 100% clarity.  In 6 days, OGL 1.1 will be released.  Depending upon the exact wording of 1.1, as well as the exact wording of the previous 1.0a OGL text..... and the legal opinions of good IP attorneys..... content creators will have to make some difficult decisions.
Let the Dice, Decide the Outcome.  Accept the Results.

Jaeger

#25
January 07, 2023, 03:36:41 PM
"The envious are not satisfied with equality; they secretly yearn for superiority and revenge."

Semaj Khan

#26
January 07, 2023, 03:59:16 PM
Quote from: Jaeger on January 07, 2023, 03:36:41 PM
Quote from: jeff37923 on January 07, 2023, 10:12:00 AM
GrimJim has created a petition on Change.org. Seeing how much traction it gets will be a good indication of interest amoung non-publishers.

https://www.change.org/p/wizards-hasbro-do-not-change-the-ogl-license?utm_content=cl_sharecopy_35422238_en-GB%3A4&recruiter=1291281390&recruited_by_id=b3941500-8e8e-11ed-b4fe-7bc71f42fde5&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initial&share_bandit_exp=initial-35422238-en-GB

Why?

Nobody should sign this.

Let WotC melt down D&D.

It's time to leave the one true game behind.

Agreed.

I'm not going to ask those assholes to do the right thing.

Let natural selection do its worst here.
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Ratman_tf

#27
January 07, 2023, 04:01:07 PM
Quote from: Semaj Khan on January 06, 2023, 07:52:49 PM
Quote from: hedgehobbit on January 06, 2023, 06:56:48 PM

And, of course, there is also the narrative that the new OGL guarantees that a product will be free of bigotry. So the only people who still want to use the 1.0 version are people that want to be able to make bigoted content.

I suspect this is what it's really about... increasing HASBRO's ESG score. Emphasis on the S.

You and I will never know, of couse, but... looking at the course WOTC has been taking over the last few years, I'd bet that's it.

Yep. After 20 years, the only new factor is ESG. (TSR/WOTC has always wanted to make money off of D&D, that's a given...)

This isn't about money. It's about flushing money down the drain to appease the wokesters on whatever board is doling out ESG scores.
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Gegilles

#28
January 07, 2023, 04:38:57 PM
Apologies if I missed it, but where does it say the release is in 6 days?

Cheers.


Quote from: Jam The MF on January 07, 2023, 03:19:57 PM
Quote from: Gegilles on January 07, 2023, 02:13:29 PM
I know the official word hasn't been released, but do we have any clarity on the 1.0 OGL for the OSR moving forward?

No true 100% clarity.  In 6 days, OGL 1.1 will be released.  Depending upon the exact wording of 1.1, as well as the exact wording of the previous 1.0a OGL text..... and the legal opinions of good IP attorneys..... content creators will have to make some difficult decisions.

squirewaldo

#29
January 07, 2023, 04:40:26 PM
I agree that avoiding the OGL is possible... but... my question regards the Hit Dice Formula for monsters, etc. My games are pretty much not derivative of the SRD 3.5 or anything else from WotC, IMHO... except for the monster stats and the use of the Hit Dice Formula. Of all the crap that WofC claims as proprietary the Hit Dice Formula seems the most likely to be found to be a 'unique process intellectual property'.

How could you replace that? Is it necessary to replace it? Has the Hit Dice Formula become part of the public domain?
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