Quote from: S'mon;1065720So Joseph Bloch is deleting the G+ OSR group on Sunday. Looks like all content will be lost.

Quote from: Bob Something;1065732Call me paranoid but I can't help but think this is...oddly 'convenient' right after there's been a split.

It may have something to do with the one and only mod pushing people to his OSR group on MeWe.

Really, it works out for the best.  Most of the woke won't go to MeWe because the owner is a libertarian, and they can be left behind on G+ when it dies in nine months since none of them can decide on a place to move to as they all hate Facebook (rightfully so), and find the alternatives like MeWe and Minds too non-woke.

Quote from: Apparition;1065760Really, it works out for the best.  Most of the woke won't go to MeWe because the owner is a libertarian, and they can be left behind on G+ when it dies in nine months since none of them can decide on a place to move to as they all hate Facebook (rightfully so), and find the alternatives like MeWe and Minds too non-woke.

I guess we're better off without them anyway.

From what I understand of such things, the OSR community seems to have just been subject to an "SJW Convergence Attack" - an operation intended to align the community to SocJus, drive out heretics etc.  And this attack appears to have failed. Which is nice.

Quote from: S'mon;1065763I guess we're better off without them anyway.

From what I understand of such things, the OSR community seems to have just been subject to an "SJW Convergence Attack" - an operation intended to align the community to SocJus, drive out heretics etc.  And this attack appears to have failed. Which is nice.

Because millenials that work for the big blogs have no interest in how D&D and other RPGs were played 30 or 40 years ago.

Quote from: S'mon;1065763I guess we're better off without them anyway.

From what I understand of such things, the OSR community seems to have just been subject to an "SJW Convergence Attack" - an operation intended to align the community to SocJus, drive out heretics etc.  And this attack appears to have failed. Which is nice.

You're welcome.

If the G+ community is getting deleted, does that mean we can't access any of the content on it after Sunday? Is there anyone trying to relocate it somewhere, to save the content?

Stuart Robertson deleted his Google Plus account.  Apparently those "evil fascists" "chased" him off.

Quote from: Apparition;1065785Stuart Robertson deleted his Google Plus account.  Apparently those "evil fascists" "chased" him off.

When I was younger there was a ploy some guys would use to swoop in on a girl another guy was making some headway with. They would make up these stories about how the other guy was unstable, and not what they appeared to be. This would be followed up by telling the girl they had been threatened by the other guy for "exposing them". Of course when this came out the first guy would be understandably pissed which of course played right into the idea the guy was unstable.

Who knows maybe this is still a thing, I've been off the market for 26 years.


There is something about this situation that reminded me of that earlier experience.

People are doing bad things with "my" game. Now these people are saying mean things about me. now I'm being threatened, need to lay low.

Other guys :confused: wtf just happened?

Quote from: ArrozConLeche;1065470He has now denied any previous implication that he owns the "OSR" acronym. He's also butthurt that they called him antifa and  a regressive leftist, but he was more than happy to put other people in a bad light when they decided not to use his logo. If the damn logo hasn't turned into a purity test, it's not for lack of trying by him and others.

The OSR ISN'T a purity test for D&D players?  To weed out the 'inferiour' from those who only play 'Old School' or variants there of?  I mean, the flack I get for not really seeing the difference between play styles, or more accurately not really caring, because everyone plays D&D their own way and have been since 1974 at the very least.  The OSR isn't?  I call BS on that.

It's another version of edition warring, and it sounds to me that one guy decided to try and pull a Vox Day on it, and like Day got slapped down for overstepping his bounds.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;1065797The OSR ISN'T a purity test for D&D players?  To weed out the 'inferiour' from those who only play 'Old School' or variants there of?

Plenty of people play both OSR and newer style games/campaigns. In particular 5e D&D has spurred a lot of crossover. I even GM & enjoy 4e D&D as well as (eg) Swords & Wizardry, but no one has tried to 'drum me out of the OSR'. Obviously I don't talk about 4e D&D in a specifically OSR forum where it would be off topic.

So the #OSR has finally turned on each other, and over superficial bullshit like this.

Anyway, in the now deleted post Stuart Robertson was repeatedly asked if he was asserting rights over the term #OSR, and he continually refused to answer with a simple yes or no, which absolutely means he was operating in bad faith.

And then there's this asshole, whose quote I feel comfortable sharing here since they they felt comfortable sharing MeWe chats which are private by default:

Quote from: Jon SalwayJust so everyone knows. The term 'snowflake' is a code word in neo nazi groups across Europe for Jews. They use it to evoke the grey and white dust coming from the chimneys of the gas chambers. I'm assuming you didn't know that Adam. And before you shout it down. I know this because for several years I worked alongside the British Police who were tracking them. Might I suggest you remove it Adam before people jump to the wrong conclusion?

No cupcake that is not what the term is a code word for, but that's what the #CtrlLeft does: It redefines the terms you use to change what you're saying and condemn you for thoughts you never expressed. So 'butthurt' becomes homophobic, and 'kek' becomes short for 'kike'.

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"Halp! It keeps happening!"

Even Stuart Robertson wasn't happy about this.

So I guess saying something is a safe place implies places aren't normally safe.

Quote from: Melan;1065182I like that "applicants will all have their history on G+ reviewed before being accepted" bit. Fuck yes. I sure want to grovel and plead, and want some goon to check my credentials to post about tabletop games.

It's also incredibly presumptuous to assume they have any right to this information.

For people who claim to be against stalking and doxxing they sure do seem to endorse it.

Quote from: Apparition;1065204That's the person that started the G+ Escape Rocket community the day Google announced that they were pulling the plug on G+.  He also supported the move to MeWe.  Then found out that the owner of MeWe is a free-speech absolutist Libertarian a few days later, and started telling people to avoid MeWe but after tens of thousands of people had already set up shop there.  Hilarious.

Indeed.

Quote from: Bradford C. Walker;1065270Meanwhile, virtue-signalling twats are quitting the G+ group because Muh Oppressions. Fuck them.

Speaking of which, you're apparently an admin on a Facebook 'community' which denied my membership because the transwoman running it decided I wasn't using my 'real name'. Curious as to your reasons for working with such hypocrites.

Quote from: ArrozConLeche;1065272For what it's worth, it seems to be relatively simple to call someone's bluff when they file frivolous DMCA attacks:  http://www.durangobill.com/Fight_DMCA_Abuse.html by filing a "Counter Notification Letter":

Yeah, but it's still a massive pain in the ass.

Quote from: S'mon;1065294The issue is that your work is a derivative work of the TSR logo, and possibly derivative of earlier OSR logos that used the same idea. You do not have any rights over other derivative works based on the TSR logo even though they may resemble your work.

Actually he does, and his logo is genuinely transformative on several levels.

Quote from: S'mon;1065720So Joseph Bloch is deleting the G+ OSR group on Sunday. Looks like all content will be lost.

One nice thing about #Reddit is that an admin cannot simply 'delete' a community.

Quote from: mAcular Chaotic;1065780If the G+ community is getting deleted, does that mean we can't access any of the content on it after Sunday?

Yes.

Quote from: mAcular Chaotic;1065780Is there anyone trying to relocate it somewhere, to save the content?

They say they're porting the content to #MeWe, but I'm not sure how that's gonna work out.

Quote from: Apparition;1065785Stuart Robertson deleted his Google Plus account.  Apparently those "evil fascists" "chased" him off.

If this is the level of heat that's chasing people off now then there's truly no hope for the internet.

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1065806Actually he does, and his logo is genuinely transformative on several levels.

My comment was correct. Read it carefully (I do teach this stuff for a living).

Copyright only applies to works that are derived from or adaptations of his own work - his own original intellectual creation. He has no rights over elements he himself copied. He has no rights over work not derived from his work.

(He also has no trade mark rights, but that is a different issue and not what I was addressing).

If you actually get off the Internet, no one gives a fuck about any of this. They don't even know it exists. In my gaming group, I'm the only one who reads rpg forums; everyone else just plays games. Age ranges from 22 to 44, so it's not like everyone is some old codger, and two players are actually in the tech industry, so plenty of experience online.

Seems like this is all a bunch of bullshit drama, played out for an EXTREMELY small group of people. How big is the OSR "community"? 10k maybe?

Stuart believes that the OSR is like the alt right. He's a little bitch that we should ignore.

Quote from: Brad;1065811If you actually get off the Internet, no one gives a fuck about any of this. They don't even know it exists. In my gaming group, I'm the only one who reads rpg forums; everyone else just plays games. Age ranges from 22 to 44, so it's not like everyone is some old codger, and two players are actually in the tech industry, so plenty of experience online.

Seems like this is all a bunch of bullshit drama, played out for an EXTREMELY small group of people. How big is the OSR "community"? 10k maybe?

Outside of 5E no part of the hobby is larger than 10k

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1065806Speaking of which, you're apparently an admin on a Facebook 'community' which denied my membership because the transwoman running it decided I wasn't using my 'real name'. Curious as to your reasons for working with such hypocrites.

What are you talking about? I barely touch Facebook anymore, mostly just to post links to my blogs and read the World Class Bullshitters page.