Why is everyone shocked by girl meets broomstick story, while they were playing games about "killing things and taking their stuff" for years... somethings telling me, that violence, power and pillage fantasies are more sick than that sexual fantasies (as long as these fantasies don't include rape&murder)

Quote from: Fritzs;255410Why is everyone shocked by girl meets broomstick story, while they were playing games about "killing things and taking their stuff" for years... somethings telling me, that violence, power and pillage fantasies are more sick than that sexual fantasies (as long as these fantasies don't include rape&murder)

Oh I don't know, perhaps because there's nothing morally wrong with killing evil monsters but there is something wrong with the forced sexualization of a child?  Could that perhaps be it?

KoOS

Quote from: Fritzs;255410Why is everyone shocked by girl meets broomstick story, while they were playing games about "killing things and taking their stuff" for years... somethings telling me, that violence, power and pillage fantasies are more sick than that sexual fantasies (as long as these fantasies don't include rape&murder)

Americans.  It's the Puritan roots.  They still are a pretty strong part of the culture.

Quote from: noisms;255311What I can't really understand is why a bunch of overweight geeks who smell like catpiss would want to get together around a table in a darkened room, and share thoughts on said fantasy in the form of an RPG. Unless they were extremely sexually frustrated, had never had a girlfriend, and had lost all sense of shame and self-respect.

I don't really think a game like this is almost ever actually PLAYED.  Its written and purchased only to be wanked to, both intellectually, and perhaps literally.

RPGPundit

Quote from: King of Old Schoolthere's nothing morally wrong with killing evil monsters

...calling them "evil monsters" to justify the slaughter and pillage makes is even more fucked up.

Quote from: Fritzs;255410Why is everyone shocked by girl meets broomstick story, while they were playing games about "killing things and taking their stuff" for years... somethings telling me, that violence, power and pillage fantasies are more sick than that sexual fantasies (as long as these fantasies don't include rape&murder)

Then as usual, you'd be wrong.

The truly-perverse stuff notwithstanding, there's nothing wrong with sex, again. I'm pro-porn, pro-kink, there's nothing I like more than giving the Wench a good spanking, etc.

And frankly, I don't give a fuck about whether people are "sexualizing ten year old girls" or not. What I'm very concerned about is people sexualizing Roleplaying Games.

THAT is the issue.

Because if you sexualize Roleplaying Games, before you know it, we'll be the new Furry Fandom. That's what sexualizing a non-sexual hobby will lead to.

So its not that violence is cooler than sex, or killing an orc is more or less sick than doing things to a girl with a broomstick, its that one is an inherent part of the hobby, and the other is NOT. And that introducing the other into the hobby will lead to anyone who has any kind of normal psychological makeup abandoning the hobby, and the hobby being filled with a bunch of sociopaths, mental retards and aspergers cases who are incapable of even basic hygiene, survival-level societal functioning, or in many cases even bowel control, and who will infest this hobby like a plague of locusts looking to turn the hobby into a past-time that has nothing to do with playing the game for the love of the game, and everything to do with satisfying their pathetic masturbatory wank-fantasies and imagining that by putting a few hundred unacceptable social-retards together it somehow makes them acceptable (note: it does not. Put 2000 furries together in a convention and you do not have a group of well-rounded human beings all of a sudden who are capable of social events, you just have a pathetic display of 2000 social retards engaging in their social retardation... and possibly a really good target area for dropping some kind of nuclear device).

Your argument, thus, is about as stupid as saying that the reason people are ok with body checks in hockey but wouldn't want hockey players to start masturbating on the middle of the rink during the game is just because people are more tolerant to "Hockey violence" than they are to "Hockey sex".

Do you understand now, dumbfuck?

RPGPundit

Quote from: Fritzs;255428...calling them "evil monsters" to justify the slaughter and pillage makes is even more fucked up.

Uhhh, no.  They're evil monsters because that's what they are.  They're evil by definition.  They serve evil gods, they perform evil acts.

The problem here is that you're trying to compare something-that-is with something-that-could-be.  Would it be fucked up if orcs and mind flayers were being used as analogies for, say, Arabs or left-handed redheads?  Sure.  But orcs aren't Arabs, they're orcs.  Orcs are evil because that's what orcs are.  The minute you change them into something else to justify the criticism, the argument no longer holds water.

The child being sexualized in Maid and likewise in the genre it emulates are just that -- a child being sexualized.  Now, if you want to argue that there's nothing wrong with sexualizing children, then do us the favour of being honest enough to say so openly.  But this strawman you're constructing isn't doing you any favours; it just makes you look like a dishonest douchebag instead of an honest douchebag.

KoOS

Quote from: RPGPunditSo its not that violence is cooler than sex, or killing an orc is more or less sick than doing things to a girl with a broomstick, its that one is an inherent part of the hobby, and the other is NOT. And that introducing the other into the hobby will lead to anyone who has any kind of normal psychological makeup abandoning the hobby, and the hobby being filled with a bunch of sociopaths, mental retards and aspergers cases who are incapable of even basic hygiene, survival-level societal functioning, or in many cases even bowel control, and who will infest this hobby like a plague of locusts looking to turn the hobby into a past-time that has nothing to do with playing the game for the love of the game, and everything to do with satisfying their pathetic masturbatory wank-fantasies and imagining that by putting a few hundred unacceptable social-retards together it somehow makes them acceptable (note: it does not. Put 2000 furries together in a convention and you do not have a group of well-rounded human beings all of a sudden who are capable of social events, you just have a pathetic display of 2000 social retards engaging in their social retardation... and possibly a really good target area for dropping some kind of nuclear device).

Of course, this argument could just as fairly be levelled at the Brian Gleichmans and Werekoalas of the hobby... and yet, one group is welcomed and celebrated here and the other is preemptorily attacked.  No argument here, I just find that interesting.

KoOS

Quote from: King of Old School;255441Of course, this argument could just as fairly be levelled at the Brian Gleichmans and Werekoalas of the hobby... and yet, one group is welcomed and celebrated here and the other is preemptorily attacked.  No argument here, I just find that interesting.

KoOS

I'm probably going to regret this, but please explain what exactly Gleichman or Werekoala are trying to introduce to RPGs that isn't already in RPGs?

RPGPundit

Quote from: RPGPunditBecause if you sexualize Roleplaying Games, before you know it, we'll be the new Furry Fandom. That's what sexualizing a non-sexual hobby will lead to.

Ahem, did non-sexual furry fandom ever existed...? i don't think, that people who enjoy Ninja Turtles or Usagi Yojimbo are the same as people who enjoy the furry porn even trought they probably used to have the same name, but anyway what is rose would still be rose, even if it would be called shit. And (suprise) every geeky hobby is sexualised to some degree. Even Warhammer 40k and D&D, just go and check 4chan.

If you want your hobby to be never sexualised, stard collecting stones, not only you will find some great stuff in south america relatively easy, but it's allso pretty damn hard to fap to naughty crystals.

Quote from: King of Old SchoolUhhh, no. They're evil monsters because that's what they are. They're evil by definition. They serve evil gods, they perform evil acts.

...and that managed to make it even another bit worse. These creatures can never, under any circumstances be good, or at least "neutral", so it's perfectly OK to slaghter them for their gold. No sympathy for them, no chance for redemtion, nothing...

The maids here in town all appear to be mostly younger black women who spend as much time standing out in your yard on smoke breaks as they do cleaning your house.  Will this game let me simulate that?  

jgants: No, I don't thing so... use different game about girls and cigarettes.

Quote from: RPGPundit;255459I'm probably going to regret this, but please explain what exactly Gleichman or Werekoala are trying to introduce to RPGs that isn't already in RPGs?

So you're saying that the problem with hentai fans isn't that they're "a bunch of sociopaths, mental retards and aspergers cases who are incapable of even basic hygiene, survival-level societal functioning, or in many cases even bowel control, and who will infest this hobby like a plague of locusts" but that they're a new pack of social retards who will compete with the social retards that already infest this hobby?  That Gleichman's social retardation and all-around fatbeardry is somehow made acceptable by tradition?  I don't buy it, and I don't believe that anyone who is genuinely concerned about the wider social perception of the hobby would buy it either.

KoOS

Quote from: Fritzs;255460...and that managed to make it even another bit worse. These creatures can never, under any circumstances be good, or at least "neutral", so it's perfectly OK to slaghter them for their gold. No sympathy for them, no chance for redemtion, nothing...

Yeah, because they're not real.  Orcs don't actually exist.  They're invented whole cloth to give heroes an irredeemable villain to destroy.  Jesus, do you really not get that?

KoOS

King of Old School: I have suprise for you... that ten years old girl who did nasty things with broomstick wasn't real. She did not actually ever existed. Wacky and creepy world where ten years old  girls serve sociopathical otakus, while wearing latex maid outfit isn't real aswell... but you still call it sick shit. So, I don't think, that I am the one, who did not get that.