Quote from: One Horse Town;255243Personally, as someone who has written some stuff that has been released commercially, i have a hard time understanding how some stuff released as a 'game' can really be enjoyed as such. YMMV and so on.

I have a hard time understanding how an adult can read American superhero comic books. Yet seemingly they do.

I think you misunderstand, I have nothing against perversion per se.  Hell, I love perversion in many of its varieties!
Its the pathetic covering-up of them in the veneer of some other activity, and in the process defaming that selfsame activity in its state as a non-perverse hobby, that I take issue to.

When I want porn, I'll get porn. When I play RPGs, I want them to be RPGs, not fucking porn masked as RPGs.
I think you got it backwards there, droogy-boy, its the people who need to hide their perversity under the mask of doing something intellectual that are "repressed".

RPGPundit

Quote from: RPGPundit;255178That said, it just means that the Forgers searched diligently and picked the single most fucked up perverted Japanese RPG and decided to publish that, in order to shout "See?? this is what EVERYONE plays in Japan! Over there they're STORYGAMERS like us, and don't spend their time playing stupid D&D! They play pseudo-"sophisticated" games with perverted morality, like we do!"

Except that no one is saying that.  No one has claimed that Maid is a "mainstream" Japanese TRPG.  It's also not the most perverted Japanese TRPG, as has been pointed out upthread.  You're talking out of your ass in another pathetic attempt to invent a controversy.

You know, I thought the Maid thread on TBP was one of the stupidest threads I've ever read, what with people trying to argue that there's nothing at all dodgy about fetishizing child molestation.  This thread might actually be even more stupid.

KoOS

This is why discussions like these are so boring. The Pundit obviously has not read the game. And going by John Kim's description it's not really about perservison at all. Hell, Black Tokyo sounds like it's loaded with perservisons yet a game like this goes unnoticed....perhaps because it's not loaded with unprovable pseudo intellectuall nonsense (which seems to be the criticism of choice around here) - which makes it acceptable..."your games can have socially unacceptable subject matter as long as it's not from the Forge" or maybe because like most of these types of games, the majority of gamers just aren't interested or maybe just maybe there isn't a dedicated cadre of haters who seek it out as an example of badwrongfun.

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David R

Quote from: David R;255272This is why discussions like these are so boring. The Pundit obviously has not read the game. And going by John Kim's description it's not really about perservison at all. Hell, Black Tokyo sounds like it's loaded with perservisons yet a game like this goes unnoticed....perhaps because it's not loaded with unprovable pseudo intellectuall nonsense (which seems to be the criticism of choice around here) - which makes it acceptable..."your games can have socially unacceptable subject matter as long as it's not from the Forge" or maybe because like most of these types of games, the majority of gamers just aren't interested or maybe just maybe there isn't a dedicated cadre of haters who seek it out as an example of badwrongfun.

Well, there's no sex in it so I wouldn't call it perverted per se.  However, that doesn't mean one can't be offended by it.  Though I had fun in the GenCon game of it, I was turned off by some of the interior artwork that clearly has a fetish of maids, which plays up subservience as being sexy.  Then again, I'm the sort who is also turned off by a fair amount of other artwork in RPGs, like the interior of Conan or the cover of the 4E Player's Handbook.  I do like  Macho Women With Guns, because there you play women who kick butt - plus it's damn funny.

RPGPundit: maid RPG=/="intelectual"... you apparently failed at reading it. And you apparently started this thread in order to find some shit you can throw at this game (and forgers in general) in your blog. This makes me wonder if you are really doing it under delusion of fighting enemy swine or in order to sell more copies of FtA!...?

Quote from: jhkim;255273Well, there's no sex in it so I wouldn't call it perverted per se.  However, that doesn't mean one can't be offended by it.  Though I had fun in the GenCon game of it, I was turned off by some of the interior artwork that clearly has a fetish of maids, which plays up subservience as being sexy.  

Wait.... you're saying cute girls dressed in maid outfits aren't sexy? Well, different strokes for different strokes I suppose.

I can understand the popularity of 'Maids' as a genre of porn perfectly well. It's a common fantasy. After all it's really no different to people getting turned on by their partner in a nurse's outfit or a police uniform, and the 'French Maid' costume is a pretty popular one in Anne Summer's shops. (That's a British chain of soft-core sex stores aimed at women - not sure what the US equivalent is.)

What I can't really understand is why a bunch of overweight geeks who smell like catpiss would want to get together around a table in a darkened room, and share thoughts on said fantasy in the form of an RPG. Unless they were extremely sexually frustrated, had never had a girlfriend, and had lost all sense of shame and self-respect.

Oh.... Okay, I guess it makes sense when you think about it.

Quote from: Fritzs;255307RPGPundit: maid RPG=/="intelectual"... you apparently failed at reading it. And you apparently started this thread in order to find some shit you can throw at this game (and forgers in general) in your blog. This makes me wonder if you are really doing it under delusion of fighting enemy swine or in order to sell more copies of FtA!...?

well, I hadn't even mentioned FtA! until now, but thank you for the viral marketing.

RPGPundit

Quote from: RPGPunditwell, I hadn't even mentioned FtA! until now, but thank you for the viral marketing.

That's not answer to my question... OK, I could write: "help to sell more copies of games I like" but everyone know what that youˇ've written one particular game and that you apparently like it.

Anyway, one more question for you... have you read Maid RPG or not?

Quote from: noisms;255311What I can't really understand is why a bunch of overweight geeks who smell like catpiss would want to get together around a table in a darkened room, and share thoughts on said fantasy in the form of an RPG. Unless they were extremely sexually frustrated, had never had a girlfriend, and had lost all sense of shame and self-respect.

Speaking as one who has no particular desire to play Maid, Panty Explosion or any other representative of this genre, I think this (along with J Arcane's similar bitch) is just baseless speculation. How do you know who's going to play the game? I've known about one gamer who actually fits that description, and I'm fairly sure he wouldn't be interested in Maid either, being a swordy fantasy guy at heart.

Assuming that Andy K wasn't simply lying, the notorious description of broomplay was actually produced by a chick. A Japanese one.

Quote from: jhkim;255273I do like  Macho Women With Guns, because there you play women who kick butt - plus it's damn funny.

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Quote from: RPGPundit;255257I think you misunderstand, I have nothing against perversion per se.  Hell, I love perversion in many of its varieties!
Its the pathetic covering-up of them in the veneer of some other activity, and in the process defaming that selfsame activity in its state as a non-perverse hobby, that I take issue to.

When I want porn, I'll get porn. When I play RPGs, I want them to be RPGs, not fucking porn masked as RPGs.
I think you got it backwards there, droogy-boy, its the people who need to hide their perversity under the mask of doing something intellectual that are "repressed".

RPGPundit

I don't know shit about the Maid RPG, whether it's perverted or not, but Pundit, you got all of that one.* That's a bomb to deep center.

*Baseball reference, for those deprived.

It's a bunch of dog's balls, actually. Poobutt has no particular authority to declare what does or does not 'belong in this hobby', any more than I have (and I've been playing RPGs longer than he has).

Quote from: droog;255337(and I've been playing RPGs longer than he has).

That's a weird appeal to authority.

Old Geezer, is that you?

Quote from: FASERIP;255342That's a weird appeal to authority.

No, my man, it's a denial of Poobutt's (whiny, entitled) claim to authority.