Quote from: James J Skach;255565Shouldn't this hoax of a thread be in off-topic, anyway?

True, if Maid RPG "isn't a RPG", then yes.

Quote from: King of Old School;255407That doesn't change the fact that the story with the 10-year-old and the broomstick was creepy as fuck, that stuff like it in the genre is creepy as fuck, and that trying to deny its creepiness is IMO both intellectually dishonest and itself creepy as fuck.

Don't dance around, girlfriend--say "droogy, I think you're creepy as fuck."

Quote from: droog;255333Speaking as one who has no particular desire to play Maid, Panty Explosion or any other representative of this genre, I think this (along with J Arcane's similar bitch) is just baseless speculation. How do you know who's going to play the game? I've known about one gamer who actually fits that description, and I'm fairly sure he wouldn't be interested in Maid either, being a swordy fantasy guy at heart.

Assuming that Andy K wasn't simply lying, the notorious description of broomplay was actually produced by a chick. A Japanese one.

Wow, "Women are involved in production of media for male titillation" shocker. Next week: Bear shits in woods exclusive.

It's speculation, but not baseless. It's based on having met a heck of a lot of male manga geeks. They generally (not always, before somebody starts to get offended!) fall into two categories - fat catpiss guy, and skinny effete emo guy. Either way, they aren't the type to enjoy successful, or indeed any, relations with women. This leads them ever-deeper into said world of sexual frustration, and ever-further away from self-respect.... until they reach the stage where they think it's acceptable to sit around with a load of other fat catpiss guys/skinny effete emo guys and roleplay out 'broomplay' fantasies on maids.

Like I said, and I absolutely agree with Pundit here, porn is fine. I have nothing against it, and rather a lot for it. Maid outfits are sexy. Kinkiness is great - whatever floats your boat provided it doesn't involve the obvious no-nos. But sharing my own particular pecadillos with a gang of nerds during an RPG session sounds hideously pathetic and awful. I mean, this isn't just talking about sex with the guys (the sort of thing should be done after many, many beers); it's role playing out sexual fantasies. And that's just weird when it's four nerds in one of their mothers' basements.

Keep sex out of the way of my killing things and taking their stuff, thankyouverymuch.

While that is a horrible portrait you paint, noisms, I think it is a reductive view of the game.  From what I've read, the majority of the content and rules is not sexual.  You can just play it for the wacky things that happen.  It's a specialized taste, for sure, but I could see how you could have fun with it without roleplaying out sexual fantasies.

Quote from: noisms;255582This leads them ever-deeper into said world of sexual frustration, and ever-further away from self-respect.... until they reach the stage where they think it's acceptable to sit around with a load of other fat catpiss guys/skinny effete emo guys and roleplay out 'broomplay' fantasies on maids....But sharing my own particular pecadillos with a gang of nerds during an RPG session sounds hideously pathetic and awful. I mean, this isn't just talking about sex with the guys (the sort of thing should be done after many, many beers); it's role playing out sexual fantasies. And that's just weird when it's four nerds in one of their mothers' basements.

Or it could be four cute girls sitting around an apartment. Or four people of either gender camping it up and playing with tropes.

I don't know about you, but I stay away from both fat catpiss guys and skinny emo guys playing out their fantasies of control and domination. Could be that you've got a worse view of 'the hobby' than me because you're less selective.

Quote from: walkerp;255585While that is a horrible portrait you paint, noisms, I think it is a reductive view of the game.  From what I've read, the majority of the content and rules is not sexual.  You can just play it for the wacky things that happen.  It's a specialized taste, for sure, but I could see how you could have fun with it without roleplaying out sexual fantasies.

Okay, I suppose I could see that. Still, I can only imagine it being fun for a one off. Even desexualised, it sounds like a gimmick. Then again a lot of story games are like that - good the first time, but no reason to come back to it.

Quote from: droog;255587Or it could be four cute girls sitting around an apartment. Or four people of either gender camping it up and playing with tropes.

See above. If this is the case (and such players would be a tiny minority, if they exist at all) then it's surely a one-time drunken evening gimmick and not a game you'd come back to.

QuoteI don't know about you, but I stay away from both fat catpiss guys and skinny emo guys playing out their fantasies of control and domination. Could be that you've got a worse view of 'the hobby' than me because you're less selective.

Er... why are you suddenly turning this into jibes about my 'selectivity'? Calm down, for fuck's sake. I was making the same point you are - I try to stay away from fat catpiss guys and skinny effete emo guys, which is why I don't want to play Maid.

Quote from: noisms;255582I mean, this isn't just talking about sex with the guys (the sort of thing should be done after many, many beers); it's role playing out sexual fantasies. And that's just weird when it's four nerds in one of their mothers' basements.

Well, but it isn't role-playing out sexual fantasies.  There's essentially no sex in the book that I saw from browsing and playing it, though apparently there's something in one of the examples.  The themes are suggestive of sex, but less so than, say, the James Bond 007 RPG.  There was nothing sexual in the session when I played it with the translator as GM.  

It is racy and suggestive -- but in the same sense that having PCs in racy skintight outfits is.  Playing characters who dress up in skimpy spandex is suggestive, but it isn't the same thing as playing out sexual fantasies.  

Quote from: noisms;255582Keep sex out of the way of my killing things and taking their stuff, thankyouverymuch.

No one's forcing you to play Maid, much less play out sex.  That said, I'm generally comfortable playing out romantic or racy stuff in role-playing with players I like -- male or female -- and it is often common in games I play in, depending on the genre.

Quote from: noisms;255600Er... why are you suddenly turning this into jibes about my 'selectivity'? Calm down, for fuck's sake. I was making the same point you are - I try to stay away from fat catpiss guys and skinny effete emo guys, which is why I don't want to play Maid.

I'm just saying that the weirdoes and the game aren't necessarily connected. Already you've been told by KoOS that Andy and his partner aren't exactly social misfits, and that's from a  guy that dislikes the concept.


Personally, I don't see a problem with a game being good only for a one-off or two, especially if it's not particularly dear. Think how many games go completely unplayed anyway, or think how many campaigns start up and immediately crash or tail off.

King of Old School: So, if it was for example 10 years old female demon, it would be acceptable, because demons, like orcs, aren't real?

noisms: Human sexuality is quite complicated thing. It's not like, the hot people are the only ones that should be allowed to do it in any of it's form. So, shut up about emoguys and catpissmen playing out their creepy fantasies... there's nothing wrong with it as long as they aren't doing it in your basement.

Quote from: jhkim;255611Well, but it isn't role-playing out sexual fantasies.  There's essentially no sex in the book that I saw from browsing and playing it, though apparently there's something in one of the examples.  The themes are suggestive of sex, but less so than, say, the James Bond 007 RPG.  There was nothing sexual in the session when I played it with the translator as GM.  

It is racy and suggestive -- but in the same sense that having PCs in racy skintight outfits is.  Playing characters who dress up in skimpy spandex is suggestive, but it isn't the same thing as playing out sexual fantasies.

I frankly find the whole 'racy skintight outfits' thing problematic too, but let's not open that can of worms.

I think comparing Maid to James Bond is a little disingenuous. The French Maid is a well known porn trope not only in Japan but throughout the world. Even if there is no sex directly involved, the undercurrent/frisson is surely constantly there - because otherwise what's entertaining about it? You might as well play Toilet Cleaner RPG or Road Sweepers & Recycling. The innuendo is the only fun or important thing.

James Bond on the other hand is an action hero/spy. There's a lot of sex in James Bond films, but you could take it out without damaging the story line of a rogue secret agent taking on a bald guy with a thing for cats.

QuoteNo one's forcing you to play Maid, much less play out sex.

I didn't say they were.

QuoteThat said, I'm generally comfortable playing out romantic or racy stuff in role-playing with players I like -- male or female -- and it is often common in games I play in, depending on the genre.

Well, no accounting for taste, and all that.

Quote from: droog;255612I'm just saying that the weirdoes and the game aren't necessarily connected. Already you've been told by KoOS that Andy and his partner aren't exactly social misfits, and that's from a guy that dislikes the concept.

Nobody told me that, I don't think. But anyway, "Andy and his partner" are obviously a pair of canny individuals with a good idea for making money. Heck, I'm a professional Japanese-English translator and I wish I'd thought of it; I could have made some nice extra pocket money or bought my wife a better birthday present. The point being: The creators or translators of a game need hardly be representative of the player base.

QuotePersonally, I don't see a problem with a game being good only for a one-off or two, especially if it's not particularly dear. Think how many games go completely unplayed anyway, or think how many campaigns start up and immediately crash or tail off.

I dunno. $26.00 seems like a lot for a one-shot when you could just download, say, Risus for free and pretend to be Maids with that.

Quote from: Fritzs;255615noisms:It's not like, the hot people are the only ones that should be allowed to do it in any of it's form.

Yeah it is.

Listen, I wasn't saying that catpiss guys and effete emo creeps are WRONG to be playing the game. Just that they are clearly the target demographic, I'm not one of them, I find them deeply pathetic, and so I'm not into Maid.

Quote from: noismsI'm not one of them, I find them deeply pathetic, and so I'm not into Maid.

Yeah, thanks for informing us... I find people who write long elaborates about how their hate of catpissmen untermench has no limits deeply pathetic.

Quote from: Fritzs;255620Yeah, thanks for informing us... I find people who write long elaborates about how their hate of catpissmen untermench has no limits deeply pathetic.

EDIT: Not worth it.

Quote from: noismsEDIT: Not worth it.

Really makes me wonder, what wasn't worth it... quite possibly it was telling me, that I am probably deeply offended skinny obese emo catpissmen... or, that skinny obese emo catpissmen need to be told to GTFO in order to become normal human being. And you were right, neither of these were worth it...

Quote from: Fritzs;255623Really makes me wonder, what wasn't worth it... quite possibly it was telling me, that I am probably deeply offended skinny obese emo catpissmen... or, that skinny obese emo catpissmen need to be told to GTFO in order to become normal human being. And you were right, neither of these were worth it...

Since you're wondering, actually it was a snippy comment about people who can't be bothered to read other people's posts properly.

I said nothing about hating catpiss guys or emo kids, much less that my "hate of catpiss untermensch knows no limits". There's a big difference between finding somebody pathetic and hating them, mate, and I just can't be arsed communicating with a person who wants to misrepresent what I say like that.