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The least woke major RPG publishers

Started by Lurtch, November 18, 2018, 10:21:37 AM

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kidkaos2

Quote from: 1989;1140117I'll take a stab at a start, though my industry knowledge is miniscule compared to that of many people here:

SJW FANATIC

WotC (D&D)
Paizo (Pathfinder)
Green Ronin (Blue Rose)
Modiphius (Vampire: the Masquerade 5e)

BEND THE KNEE

Goodman Games (Dungeon Crawl Classics) #BLM
Frog God Games (Swords and Wizardry 3rd printing)

NEUTRAL

Palladium Books (Rifts, etc.)
Basic Fantasy RPG
Whitebox Fantastic Medieval Adventure Game
Immersive Ink (Delving Deeper)
OSRIC (AD&D 1e retroclone)
For Gold and Glory (AD&D 2e retroclone)

ANTI-WOKE

Myfarog (not sure as I haven't actually read it)

I would add Pinnacle as anti-woke.  I listened to an interview with Shane Hensley where he was asked about Roll20 support for Savage Worlds.  He replied saying he was not interested in working with Roll20 because of their refusal to support some Youtubers because they were white men.

Crusader X

I would add Necrotic Gnome/Old School Essentials to the Neutral list.  On the OSE Facebook page, someone posted a rainbow flag graphic and asked how OSE can be more inclusive, and Gavin Norman quickly shut down the post and said the group should be focused on gaming, not politics.  There has also not been any Black Lives Matter postings to the Old School Essentials Facebook page, unlike, say, the Dungeon Crawl Classics Facebook page.

BrokenCounsel

You can add Genesis of Legend Publishing to the SJW Fanatic list. Their 'Circles of Power' is literally 'SJW - the Roleplaying Game'. They really are Woke As Fuck.

RandyB


Armchair Gamer

Quote from: kidkaos2;1140147I would add Pinnacle as anti-woke.  I listened to an interview with Shane Hensley where he was asked about Roll20 support for Savage Worlds.  He replied saying he was not interested in working with Roll20 because of their refusal to support some Youtubers because they were white men.

  Interesting. I'd place Pinnacle solidly in Neutral, myself--they don't get involved in many issues, they have made a couple changes to their products that might seem like caving but were either very minor or had other rationales, and they don't seem to have contempt for fans who think differently.

  Troll Lord Games also belongs in the Neutral category. Pelgrane is decidedly Woke, and Chaosium seems to be trending such.

LiferGamer

Didn't Deadlands get basically ruined in the name of bending the knee?
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Armchair Gamer

Quote from: LiferGamer;1140171Didn't Deadlands get basically ruined in the name of bending the knee?

   I'm not a Deadlands fan (I follow Savage Worlds, but not Deadlands per se), so I don't know if the changes would qualify as 'ruining' it or not. It could be taken as bending the knee, but it could also be taken as 'this setting element isn't working out the way we planned, so let's change it.' Shane's public statement said he wasn't expecting much change from the critics, and while that might have been posturing, it does seem to have been borne out by the general reaction on TBP, which has been largely "Yeah, yeah, but you've still got to account for 20 years of 'doing harm'!"

Armchair Gamer

Quote from: 1989;1140117BEND THE KNEE

Goodman Games (Dungeon Crawl Classics) #BLM

   Have they done anything more than repost that one piece of BLM art on their blog? I tend to reserve 'bend the knee' for companies that are a bit more groveling and contemptuous of the non-woke customer base. And unlike Pinnacle, this is not special pleading on my part--DCC is one of the few games where the advertising copy actively repulsed me. :)

Dracones

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1140169Interesting. I'd place Pinnacle solidly in Neutral, myself--they don't get involved in many issues, they have made a couple changes to their products that might seem like caving but were either very minor or had other rationales, and they don't seem to have contempt for fans who think differently.

With Pinnacle I recall some brouhaha over the science fiction companion covert art. But it was a fairly minor change and I think their rational was to make the woman in it seem more like a reflective commander. I feel like Pinnacle is fairly progressive, but they just don't ham fist shove it into their products. Or maybe they're just a lot better at public relations and can explain design decisions without talking down to their customer base.

Looks like Schwalb Entertainment(Shadow of the Demon Lord) bent the knee:
https://schwalbentertainment.com/2020/06/06/black-lives-matter/

1989

#84
Updated with some more suggestions:

SJW FANATIC

WotC (D&D)
Paizo (Pathfinder)
Green Ronin (Blue Rose)
Modiphius (Vampire: the Masquerade 5e)
Genesis of Legend Publishing (Circles of Power)
Pelgrane Press (Dying Earth, Trail of Cthulhu)

BEND THE KNEE

Goodman Games (Dungeon Crawl Classics) #BLM
Frog God Games (Swords and Wizardry 3rd printing)

NEUTRAL

Palladium Books (Rifts, etc.)
Whitebox Fantastic Medieval Adventure Game
Immersive Ink (Delving Deeper)
OSRIC (AD&D 1e retroclone)
For Gold and Glory (AD&D 2e retroclone)
Autarch (Adventurer Conqueror King)
Troll Lord Games (Castles and Crusades)
Necrotic Gnome (Old School Essentials)

ANTI-WOKE

Myfarog (not sure as I haven't actually read it)


Edit: Removed Basic Fantasy RPG (He found the "Ditch WotC" video distasteful in it's stated opinion of WotC. Does that mean he agrees with WotC?)

Edited: Put OSE in neutral.

Jason Coplen

Quote from: 1989;1140197Updated with some more suggestions:

Edit: Removed Basic Fantasy RPG (He found the "Ditch WotC" video distasteful in it's stated opinion of WotC. Does that mean he agrees with WotC?)

Chris is liberal, but I don't think he wants politics anywhere near his gaming.
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SavageSchemer

Quote from: 1989;1140197Updated with some more suggestions:

SJW FANATIC

WotC (D&D)
Paizo (Pathfinder)
Green Ronin (Blue Rose)
Modiphius (Vampire: the Masquerade 5e)
Genesis of Legend Publishing (Circles of Power)
Pelgrane Press (Dying Earth, Trail of Cthulhu)

BEND THE KNEE

Goodman Games (Dungeon Crawl Classics) #BLM
Frog God Games (Swords and Wizardry 3rd printing)

NEUTRAL

Palladium Books (Rifts, etc.)
Whitebox Fantastic Medieval Adventure Game
Immersive Ink (Delving Deeper)
OSRIC (AD&D 1e retroclone)
For Gold and Glory (AD&D 2e retroclone)
Autarch (Adventurer Conqueror King)
Troll Lord Games (Castles and Crusades)

ANTI-WOKE

Myfarog (not sure as I haven't actually read it)
Necrotic Gnome (Old School Essentials)

Edit: Removed Basic Fantasy RPG (He found the "Ditch WotC" video distasteful in it's stated opinion of WotC. Does that mean he agrees with WotC?)

Is Gavan (Necrotic Gnome) anti-woke? I'd have thought him neutral. Of all the OSR publishers I've probably interacted with him the most online and he seems to mostly just avoid the nonsense.
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Crusader X

#87
Quote from: SavageSchemer;1140247Is Gavan (Necrotic Gnome) anti-woke? I'd have thought him neutral. Of all the OSR publishers I've probably interacted with him the most online and he seems to mostly just avoid the nonsense.

Yeah, I don't see Necrotic Gnome as anti-woke.  I mentioned upthread that he shut down a post to the OSE Facebook group that wanted to bring more diversity to OSE, but I see it as more of a "please stay focused on gaming" attitude than anything else. Gavan and Chris Gonnerman of Basic Fantasy seem to have the same outlook.  They're not woke in their attitudes towards gaming, and they're not anti-woke, they just want to focus on gaming, without outside distractions of any political persuasion.  And that's fine with me.

DocJones

I would think Steve Jackson Games is neutral and whoever is producing World of Darkness now is way woke.

Snowman0147

Add Evil Hat and Onyx Path to the woke list.