Quote from: Naburimannu;1142913Umm, these are meant to be used at session zero?
I woudn't plan to give out a consent form, but I might skim over one to see "Hmm, am I expecting to hit any of these in my campaign? That's a good thing to mention at session zero and make sure nobody objects to."
Or, if I have kids in the mix, omit from the campaign completely.

And if I were playing longer-term with some of my coworkers, I could see some of them feeling uncomfortable bringing up what they object to in front of others and wanting to communicate indirectly, for which the forms might be convenient, so - assuming I have to go through background rigamarole and not just drop them in together and let it work out in play - "Hey, let's have a "session zero" this week to figure out expectations, make sure the world is going to be fun enough for everyone, & draw some connections between your characters. We can talk then about anything you want to see *or want to avoid* in the campaign; if you want to let me know in advance, XYZ is a checklist of the latter."

It seems to me that many of the posters here only play with long-established groups and only accept new blood that has been vetted by others they trust. In such situations, any kind of material checklist is superfluous as they've already informally gone over it time and again with their players. Sadly, they can't see that not everyone plays under such conditions at all times, and if playing with (near) strangers, something like the consents can actually cut some bullshit and save time so you can get to murdering and robbing mutherfuckers for their loot (or not, depending on group and game).

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1142880Read and weep

http://vengersatanis.blogspot.com/2019/09/one-of-many.html

My only phobia is against shit like this.

That's Pathetic.

Golden rule... Don't play with kids, or adults with the minds of kids.

Simple...

Quote from: The Exploited.;1142916My only phobia is against shit like this.

That's Pathetic.

Golden rule... Don't play with kids, or adults with the minds of kids.

Simple...

You can dial it up or down to your audience, my son and his friends joined years ago, and I used the show Naruto (which they were into at the time) as a guideline for how explicit I went with themes.

Edit: Kids have more grit than some of these (technically) adults.

What gets me with these shrinking violet types, assuming D&D or one of its 'descendants' you've got races and groups built-in to the system that are more brutal than the mongols (but fortunately less organized) literal demon and devil worshipers, and evil gawds that want you dead.

Where does the 'just sunshine and rainbows mindset' come in?   Where did you THINK half-orcs came from?  You saw the listing for Warlock, right?  These are great worlds for adventure, but I wouldn't want to actually live in them.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1140172I'm not a Deadlands fan (I follow Savage Worlds, but not Deadlands per se), so I don't know if the changes would qualify as 'ruining' it or not. It could be taken as bending the knee, but it could also be taken as 'this setting element isn't working out the way we planned, so let's change it.' Shane's public statement said he wasn't expecting much change from the critics, and while that might have been posturing, it does seem to have been borne out by the general reaction on TBP, which has been largely "Yeah, yeah, but you've still got to account for 20 years of 'doing harm'!"

I think we still have to wait to see how the changes play out over time as to if the changes help or harm Deadlands. I see the change as an opportunity to not have the GMs jump through hoops in accommodating players in the same posse that wanted to play characters from different sides of the Civil War who ought to have been shooting at each other. The original Deadlands timeline also did a lot of whitewashing over race relations in the setting. Like, somehow the Reckoners had mace race relations better. The new timeline still does that, but to a lesser degree it seems, and Pinnacle has stated they've done this to make it easier for minority (race and sex) players to get into the game. They're up front about that, and nothing stops you from including elements of Jim Crow at your personal table, which I do.

With the creators I get the feeling that a lot of their play time comes from playing at conventions, and there one needs to take more care with how the game plays with strangers than people you have as personal friends.

I will never use the consent form, x-card, rewind stand on my head or whatever new tools. I talk it out with my players and/or DM.

What gets me is how many woke gamers assume in bad faith that your evil for not using any of them. If player XYZ is afraid of Spiders either tell the DM at session Zero. Refuse to say anything while then joining a campaign where the main enemies are Drow and Lolth. I also don't like the tools because it removes responsibility from the player. If one has severe Arachnophobia one has no business joining the above campaigm imo.

Quote from: Aglondir;1139534What was the oucome of this?

I don't know if this is directly related by Stacy's Twitter is now officially dead.
https://mobile.twitter.com/StacyRex

I have no idea why, but I think she nuked it a few weeks ago. Maybe she realized that Twitter as a whole is poisonous. Maybe she's trying to avoid discovery. Maybe she's applying for a job and realized that social media can leave a trail that is likely to do much more harm than good.

I haven't heard of anything else on this front for a while. If the parties decided to settle they all may have just decided to stay 100% quiet on this matter than risk stirring up another fight on the internet.

Quote from: Naburimannu;1142913Umm, these are meant to be used at session zero?
I woudn't plan to give out a consent form, but I might skim over one to see "Hmm, am I expecting to hit any of these in my campaign? That's a good thing to mention at session zero and make sure nobody objects to."
Or, if I have kids in the mix, omit from the campaign completely.

And if I were playing longer-term with some of my coworkers, I could see some of them feeling uncomfortable bringing up what they object to in front of others and wanting to communicate indirectly, for which the forms might be convenient, so - assuming I have to go through background rigamarole and not just drop them in together and let it work out in play - "Hey, let's have a "session zero" this week to figure out expectations, make sure the world is going to be fun enough for everyone, & draw some connections between your characters. We can talk then about anything you want to see *or want to avoid* in the campaign; if you want to let me know in advance, XYZ is a checklist of the latter."

Nope, it's not my job to go guessing what others might feel uncomfortable with. It's the player responsibility to bring it up to me as the GM, and since when has it been ordained they do it in front of the rest of the group? They HAVE to talk to me, and since they talking to me is the same (in regards to feeling uncomfortable speaking in front of others) as handling me a consent form fuck that shit, you talk like adults.

If I have kids in the table of course lots of shit is gonna get yeeted.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1142915It seems to me that many of the posters here only play with long-established groups and only accept new blood that has been vetted by others they trust. In such situations, any kind of material checklist is superfluous as they've already informally gone over it time and again with their players. Sadly, they can't see that not everyone plays under such conditions at all times, and if playing with (near) strangers, something like the consents can actually cut some bullshit and save time so you can get to murdering and robbing mutherfuckers for their loot (or not, depending on group and game).

Yeah, sure, it must be that and not the pre selecting of mature people (not danger hairs). My current GM and Gaming group had NEVER played together before, but we all knew none of us was a woke cultist.

I don't care what YOU choose to do on your table, I do care what your fellow travelers want to impose on me in gaming stores, conventions, online apps, etc.

Largely due to limited budget I would say. Easy to riff on that theme without the need for an actual artist..

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1142876That was arguably a stylistic choice. Look to the mid to late 5E era (Tuala Morn, Enchanted Items, Stronghold, Masterminds & Madmen, Predators, etc.) for examples of when they were obviously out of options.

Largely due to limited budget I would say. Easy to riff on that theme without the need for an actual artist..

Quote from: shuddemell;1143192Largely due to limited budget I would say. Easy to riff on that theme without the need for an actual artist..

   I'd agree if it weren't that the 6E genre books and Champions supplements had full cover illustrations, and the interior of the 6E core was stuffed to the brim with full-color art.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1143201I'd agree if it weren't that the 6E genre books and Champions supplements had full cover illustrations, and the interior of the 6E core was stuffed to the brim with full-color art.

That was about the time they sold the Champions Universe IP to Cypher for a quick cash infusion. Guess where that cash went?

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1143201I'd agree if it weren't that the 6E genre books and Champions supplements had full cover illustrations, and the interior of the 6E core was stuffed to the brim with full-color art.

Based on what I heard on the Hero forums, et al. Some of those were last hurrahs. They put full color art in some things, as they hoped would be sellers like they were in the past, and it was an attempt to throw all their eggs in one basket in the hopes of a revival. Honestly, as big a fan of Hero System as I am, I don't really think, in general, that there is much of a market for such a detail oriented game as it is. You really have to want to put in the work to run Hero, and as the crowd at which this hobby is aimed becomes more and more casual, detail loses. I also don't really think there needs to be another edition of Hero. It probably peaked for most around FRED, and while I like 6th fine, and the changes made were overall good, that there is anywhere for this system to go in the modern market. I can continue to run my Hero games with 6ed or FRED without ever feeling the need for another such system. I only spend money on Hero to keep the life support running, but having no expectation of a resurgence.

Quote from: shuddemell;1143204Based on what I heard on the Hero forums, et al. Some of those were last hurrahs. They put full color art in some things, as they hoped would be sellers like they were in the past, and it was an attempt to throw all their eggs in one basket in the hopes of a revival. Honestly, as big a fan of Hero System as I am, I don't really think, in general, that there is much of a market for such a detail oriented game as it is. You really have to want to put in the work to run Hero, and as the crowd at which this hobby is aimed becomes more and more casual, detail loses. I also don't really think there needs to be another edition of Hero. It probably peaked for most around FRED, and while I like 6th fine, and the changes made were overall good, that there is anywhere for this system to go in the modern market. I can continue to run my Hero games with 6ed or FRED without ever feeling the need for another such system. I only spend money on Hero to keep the life support running, but having no expectation of a resurgence.

  Agreed on all points; I think HERO has lost ground due to the combination of the graying of the hobby and the shift to more 'stream-friendly' games. The upside is that with the rise of PDFs and PoD, the system can be kept available near-indefinitely, and the opening up of licensing, the Hall of Champions, and other venues gives fans plenty of ways to share content. It's probably never going to be a player in the industry again barring major change, but it can sustain itself as a hobbyist's game for the foreseeable future.

Quote from: Dracones;1140350When Google Groups was a thing the Fate group was a pretty SJW place. I remember when Groups was shutting down there were concerns over migrating to MeWe or some other platform because it allowed "right wingers" to exist there. Fate is a game that draws in SJW's more than your normal RPG. I don't recall if Fred himself posted SJW content in the group or not, but it wouldn't surprise me.

I got off of MeWe before Christmas of last year, becuase of the kind of data collection practices they have put into place over there, not to mention the "walled gardens". Made it too hard to keep track of the troublemakers who are there just for the sake of messing with other people.