Quote from: Aglondir;1140829It's been decades since I read my AD&D books, so I am having trouble with remembering any specific examples of "ethnic, racial and gender prejudice." Other than the prostitute tables and the use of the pronoun "he" as generic, perhaps. Can you provide examples?

Actually, AD&D1E used "he or she" while AD&D2E used only "he". I was doing some research on that this week. I was surprised.

Quote from: Naburimannu;1140778What's unmerited? The claims I've seen boil down to "these materials use a number of tropes that were accepted at the time but are now considered racist", which makes sense to me.

And yet that disclaimer doesn't name the pieces so accused, doesn't explain exactly what offensive tropes they specifically contain, imputes unfalsifiable motives to their creators for using those tropes, contains no arguments for why such tropes should now be thought offensive, and won't even firmly state that the content DOES contain such offensiveness -- note the fatal weasel word "may". That's what I mean by "unmerited".

If they really believe certain items contain unconscionable content, they should pull those items altogether. That they haven't suggests this is merely another self-protective greengrocer's sign.

Quote from: LiferGamer;1140355Asshat (oops, evilhat) productions has no problem making money off of HP Lovecraft while simultaneously shitting all over him for their terrible Power Rangers/Terminator/Cthulu Mashup.

I still got the un-redacted Dresden Files rpg from them, before someone decides it should have a #metoo anti-sexism disclaimer or cleanup.

Quote from: NaburimannuWhat's unmerited? The claims I've seen boil down to "these materials use a number of tropes that were accepted at the time but are now considered racist", which makes sense to me.

Quote from: Stephen Tannhauser;1141609And yet that disclaimer doesn't name the pieces so accused, doesn't explain exactly what offensive tropes they specifically contain, imputes unfalsifiable motives to their creators for using those tropes, contains no arguments for why such tropes should now be thought offensive, and won't even firmly state that the content DOES contain such offensiveness -- note the fatal weasel word "may". That's what I mean by "unmerited".

If they really believe certain items contain unconscionable content, they should pull those items altogether. That they haven't suggests this is merely another self-protective greengrocer's sign.

I don't think items should be pulled if they have any racist content. If a work does genuinely have racist content, a more specific disclaimer would be better, but censoring them to pretend that they never existed is worse.

I agree that the current disclaimer is a token gesture full of weasel words. However, that also means it's not a real accusation against the older edition material or the various authors.

Quote from: Godfather Punk;1141610I still got the un-redacted Dresden Files rpg from them, before someone decides it should have a #metoo anti-sexism disclaimer or cleanup.

Too late. The Dresden Files RPG has had that baked-in right from the start. Check out the in-character banter on pg. 96 of Your Story where Billy complains about sexy women in game art (apparently the Evil Hat version of Georgia is a feminist who has been educating him about this stuff). That's basically their disclaimer saying, "We are using this art to be true to the source material, but we don't have to like it."

So a bit like I use their books for rules reference and the campaign world, but I can ignore those woke in-character banter pieces

What about Monte Cook Games?

I know Monte Cook is pretty liberal, but I've never read Numenéra and I don't know if his socio-political views have influenced his products.

Quote from: Greywolf76;1142539What about Monte Cook Games?

I know Monte Cook is pretty liberal, but I've never read Numenéra and I don't know if his socio-political views have influenced his products.

Monte Cook Games is the company that put out the "Required Reading" RPG sourcebook on consent, complete with the cringeworthy consent forms to hand out to your players.

Quote from: Trond;1139502Looked these up. Pardon me for sidetracking the thread, but what is going on in these covers?

LOL. You should be happy you got any cover art at all!



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Quote from: Aglondir;1142872LOL. You should be happy you got any cover art at all!



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That was arguably a stylistic choice. Look to the mid to late 5E era (Tuala Morn, Enchanted Items, Stronghold, Masterminds & Madmen, Predators, etc.) for examples of when they were obviously out of options.

Quote from: Orphan81;1142544Monte Cook Games is the company that put out the "Required Reading" RPG sourcebook on consent, complete with the cringeworthy consent forms to hand out to your players.

what is a consent form ?

Quote from: Cigalazade;1142879what is a consent form ?

Read and weep

http://vengersatanis.blogspot.com/2019/09/one-of-many.html

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1142880Read and weep

http://vengersatanis.blogspot.com/2019/09/one-of-many.html

Well, alright then. I didn't know people needed forms for adult communication. "Hey I am not comfortable with X" "Sorry about that, we won't discuss X." Done. That's it.

Some people must enjoy this kind of bureaucratization of basic interactions.

Quote from: Cigalazade;1142882Well, alright then. I didn't know people needed forms for adult communication. "Hey I am not comfortable with X" "Sorry about that, we won't discuss X." Done. That's it.

Some people must enjoy this kind of bureaucratization of basic interactions.

We've always handled such things at session zero. But talking like adults isn't for SJWs

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1142884We've always handled such things at session zero. But talking like adults isn't for SJWs

Umm, these are meant to be used at session zero?
I woudn't plan to give out a consent form, but I might skim over one to see "Hmm, am I expecting to hit any of these in my campaign? That's a good thing to mention at session zero and make sure nobody objects to."
Or, if I have kids in the mix, omit from the campaign completely.

And if I were playing longer-term with some of my coworkers, I could see some of them feeling uncomfortable bringing up what they object to in front of others and wanting to communicate indirectly, for which the forms might be convenient, so - assuming I have to go through background rigamarole and not just drop them in together and let it work out in play - "Hey, let's have a "session zero" this week to figure out expectations, make sure the world is going to be fun enough for everyone, & draw some connections between your characters. We can talk then about anything you want to see *or want to avoid* in the campaign; if you want to let me know in advance, XYZ is a checklist of the latter."