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The Idiotic Fucking Up of Warhammer 40k RPG

Started by RPGPundit, September 30, 2006, 01:59:54 PM

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Sojourner Judas

#60
October 02, 2006, 11:43:30 AM
Quote from: Mr. AnalyticalBut isn't it individual level as in, A spaceship?

The old WEG Star Wars game had a rather splendid supplement for it that appeared shortly before the company imploded that was all about running a traveller-style game.  I seem to remember is even had proper rules for upgrading your ship instead of the stupid XP-based improvement system.
If you want 40k spaceship combat, you really owe it to yourself to look into Battlefleet Gothic. The boxed-set gives a lot of goodies for your dollar, and it's much more affordable to play miniatures-wise than 40k itself. Hell, there's only one supplement for it!
 

Bagpuss

#61
October 02, 2006, 11:45:33 AM
Quote from: Hastur T. FannonThis kind of sicko

You know, you were the first person I thought of after myself.
 

Christmas Ape

#62
October 02, 2006, 12:01:49 PM
Quote from: Mr. AnalyticalThe other thing is, what kind of sicko would want to play an inquisitor looking for heretics?

"Kill them all and let God reclaim his own"
As a dedicated "we're just monkeys, we don't know shit"-style agnostic, I sure as hell would.

There's something fun about playing 180 degrees from type, and getting to shout hardline scripture-sounding warcries while doing so.
Heroism is no more than a chapter in a tale of submission.
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Mr. Analytical

#63
October 02, 2006, 12:10:54 PM
Yeah, it would be fun to play it once but a whole campaign?  I think it would start to feel wrong pretty quickly.

Sojourner Judas

#64
October 02, 2006, 12:12:26 PM
Quote from: Mr. AnalyticalYeah, it would be fun to play it once but a whole campaign?  I think it would start to feel wrong pretty quickly.
Not especially. A fair amount of the things the Inquisition goes after deserve it. A smart GM will focus the campaign on those.
 

Mr. Analytical

#65
October 02, 2006, 12:15:32 PM
Hmmm... I'm sceptical.  One of the things about the Warhammer 40K universe is that there ARE no sympathetic characters in it.  Not only are there no heroes, there are no tragic or anti-heroes either.  In fact, you'd struggle to find a proper protagonist.

I'm willing to accept that I'm in the minority here but I have a real problem playing a fascist.  I can play a bit of a shit but I think I'd get bored of playing a fanatic week in and week out.

Sojourner Judas

#66
October 02, 2006, 12:19:36 PM
If you're playing Ordo Malleus, going after chaos cultists and daemons, you're about as straightforward "good guy" as you can manage within the confines of the setting.
 

Mr. Analytical

#67
October 02, 2006, 12:20:42 PM
Yeah but that's not saying much is it?  a witch-hunter for a fascistic theocratic government?

Sojourner Judas

#68
October 02, 2006, 12:24:10 PM
Quote from: Mr. AnalyticalYeah but that's not saying much is it?  a witch-hunter for a fascistic theocratic government?
Fighting servants of powers who would devour the souls of the entire galaxy. Sure, you might have to declare Exterminatus upon a planet or two, but it's messy work.
 

Mr. Analytical

#69
October 02, 2006, 12:28:24 PM
I really wouldn't be interested in playing that kind of character.  It's a lose-lose situation... do your job and the fascists tighten their grip on the universe, don't do it and people die.  Lovely.

It's like that french fantasy RPG Prophecy.  Yet again, I'm seemingly the only person bothered by the idea of playing a tool of state oppression.

fonkaygarry

#70
October 02, 2006, 12:40:15 PM
QuoteYet again, I'm seemingly the only person bothered by the idea of playing a tool of state oppression.

It's a game, spare us the moral histrionics.

Outside of the Inquisition (and the Imperial power structure, for the most part) you have the Rogue Traders. They cruise around the dark spots of the galaxy, charting places out and searching for gnarly shit and sexy ladies.  Kind of a Star Trek meets Heavy Metal sort of life.

If I remember my old copy of Rogue Trader correctly, the RTs are the only people in the Imperium from whom individual freedom is tolerated.

It's a way to play in the 40k universe without all the space facism, if that's what you're looking for.
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Hastur T. Fannon

#71
October 02, 2006, 01:06:30 PM
Quote from: BagpussYou know, you were the first person I thought of after myself.

Why thank you.  Incidentally, "Inquisition" is my favourite oWoD sourcebook, even beating the original "Clanbook: Malkavian" into second place

(though I do have a soft spot for "And Now/As Promised in Werewolf the Apocalypse/PAGE XX!!!!")
 

obryn

#72
October 02, 2006, 01:27:34 PM
Quote from: Mr. AnalyticalIt's like that french fantasy RPG Prophecy.  Yet again, I'm seemingly the only person bothered by the idea of playing a tool of state oppression.
Well, IMHO it's about on a level with playing a tomb-robbing, corpse-looting, temple-desecrating killer. ;)

-O
 

Christmas Ape

#73
October 02, 2006, 01:33:31 PM
Quote from: Mr. AnalyticalYet again, I'm seemingly the only person bothered by the idea of playing a tool of state oppression.
Overblown reaction aside, when the alternative to oppression is a galaxy rife with madness, torture, and death, in which humanity is but the plaything of horrific alien gods, yes, I will stand up for the Imperium and for Humanity.

Be grateful of your master's punishment, for it is well-deserved and betters you.
Heroism is no more than a chapter in a tale of submission.
"There is a general risk that those who flock together, on the Internet or elsewhere, will end up both confident and wrong [..]. They may even think of their fellow citizens as opponents or adversaries in some kind of 'war'." - Cass R. Sunstein
The internet recognizes only five forms of self-expression: bragging, talking shit, ass kissing, bullshitting, and moaning about how pathetic you are. Combine one with your favorite hobby and get out there!

KrakaJak

#74
October 02, 2006, 04:17:27 PM
I agree, that the universe, as presented, could not be balanced against Space Marines. They are not men! Every last one of them is a 9 foot tall genetic killing machines in nigh impenetrable armor that comes standard equiped with a machinegun that shoots exploding bullets the size of your head. It's easy to balance against this with the wargame because you get 2-3 Orks for every Spacemarine (8 Orks for a Terminator). You are Born a Space Marine and you will Die a Space Marine bringing glory to the Imperium.
 
Quit bitching because they're trying to make a good, fun game while still sticking close to the source material. The only thing I can see complaining about is that Rogue-Traders and Inquisitors aren't the same game.
 
WHFRP has seperated its playstyles too. How come I can't play a Skaven with the Main book? Because it doesn't work in the setting. An Orc? Doesn't work in the setting. Playing a Spacemarine is the equivalent to playing an Ogre, which you can't do that in the main rulebook either.
 
I'm sure that when you pick up WH40KRP: Inquisition (or whatever it'll be called) you'll be able to play a complete game with it with plenty of character options available (just like WHFRP). I'm sure there wll be expansions on it based on region (with more character options). Bitching that all you can play are Inquisition style characters is like bitching that all you can play in Shadowrun is a Shadowrunner.
-Jak
 
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