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The Idiotic Fucking Up of Warhammer 40k RPG

Started by RPGPundit, September 30, 2006, 01:59:54 PM

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RPGPundit

#30
October 01, 2006, 01:10:38 PM
Quote from: JimBobOzSounds pretty stupid.

I guess you'll just have to... not buy it.

I mean, I've taken a look at Fate 3, and compared to the potential of Fate 2, it sucks. So hey, I stick with #2.

If I ever played D&D again, it'd be AD&D 2e, this 3.5 is just way too much fuckarsing about.

Why is anyone obliged to buy and play a new edition of a game? Does the old edition spontaneously combust when the new one comes out? Or are you a helpless drooling fanboy who has to buy EVERYTHING the company comes out with, just so you can whinge about it?

:enw:

This isn't a "new edition". There's never been a Warhammer 40K RPG. As I'm fairly confident this game will suck ass, I have now been cheated of the chance to play WH40k, or at least play it the way I wanted to play.

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#31
October 01, 2006, 01:16:07 PM
...Oh, yes, it's all Forgey!  The first book will be Narrativist, you see, the second will be Simulationist, and the third will be Gamist.  Ron Edwards and Vicent Baker will be writing a special foreword entitled "Our nefarious plot to destroy gaming.", and it'll be adressed personally to you, Pundit, starting with the words 'Before we kill you, Mr.Pundit'.

All us hippie-story freaks are looking forward to the release of the first book.  With bated breath, we're preparing to cringe and sob about the heavy moral burdens that have been placed on our characters.

It'll be an angst-festival.  I can see that you're already getting into the spirit of it.

:rolleyes:

Settembrini

#32
October 01, 2006, 01:29:35 PM
@Levi: With his own weapons, I salute you!
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Discordian

#33
October 01, 2006, 02:04:54 PM
Quote from: RPGPunditAt the end of the game, if you're allowed to make a half-dozen or dozen- or thirty or two hundred Inquisitor-related careers in the "inquisitor game" you're still creating a game that is crippled by limiting it to one very specific experience within the setting, just because that's what the designers feel you ought to be doing.
Its like releasing a Star Wars game where the only thing you can play is gas miners and gas-mining-related characters on Bespin. Or you can ONLY play imperial soldiers/stormtroopers. Wanted to play the rebels? Sorry, bad luck.
Jedi? Nope, not allowed.

Dude, just out of curiosity, how much setting you want?
Would SW game need Bespin gas miners to be complete? Or any reason you would like to have Mr. Gasminer,  Jedi and a stormtrooper at the same group at the same time?

How about game of Jedi, with no other player characters? Would that be a game? How about if it is 300 pages stuffed with crunchy jedi rules?



..I was planning to write about the horrible limitation of not having starship captains on my d&d but then thought that it would be too obvious troll... And then realizing that yes, there are.
 

Mr. Analytical

#34
October 01, 2006, 02:53:28 PM
The other thing is, what kind of sicko would want to play an inquisitor looking for heretics?

"Kill them all and let God reclaim his own"

obryn

#35
October 01, 2006, 02:56:41 PM
How the fuck does this have anything at all to do with the Forge?

Reminds me of the Fifties when Communism was to blame for all of America's problems.

Can't you rant about something you dislike without trying to idiotically tie it in with one of your irrational hate-centers?  "Teh Forge/Swine/Homosexuals are to blame for ALL of RPG woes!!"

-O
 

Mr. Analytical

#36
October 01, 2006, 02:59:35 PM
You're forgetting... Pundit thinks like my mother.

There's no sense or reason or analysis, there's just knee-jerk emotional outpouring that runs downhill (like all shit) until it sticks on something convenient... in this case the Forge.

Sojourner Judas

#37
October 01, 2006, 03:09:25 PM
Quote from: Mr. AnalyticalThe other thing is, what kind of sicko would want to play an inquisitor looking for heretics?

"Kill them all and let God reclaim his own"
Well, it's broader than that. Heretics, psychics, mutants, aliens and demons.
 

fonkaygarry

#38
October 01, 2006, 04:25:29 PM
Hey, SJ:

Where can I pick up a copy of Inquisitor?  I might try to run it with regular-scale minis.

EDIT:  Or I could google it!  Not my finest hour...
teamchimp: I'm doing problem sets concerning inbreeding and effective population size.....I absolutely know this will get me the hot bitches.

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Gabriel

#39
October 01, 2006, 04:46:03 PM
Quote from: RPGPunditSo why the FUCK are they doing that with the new Warhammer 40000 RPG?

Because it will almost certainly sell, no matter what, merely because of the name.

Sojourner Judas

#40
October 01, 2006, 05:02:41 PM
Quote from: fonkaygarryHey, SJ:

Where can I pick up a copy of Inquisitor?  I might try to run it with regular-scale minis.

EDIT:  Or I could google it!  Not my finest hour...
Heh. I got it via mail-order, because even most GW shops don't carry it.
 

fonkaygarry

#41
October 01, 2006, 06:46:44 PM
There's a free PDF up at the GW Specialist Games website.
teamchimp: I'm doing problem sets concerning inbreeding and effective population size.....I absolutely know this will get me the hot bitches.

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"I do believe; help my unbelief!" -Mark 9:24

RPGPundit

#42
October 01, 2006, 10:22:52 PM
Quote from: DiscordianDude, just out of curiosity, how much setting you want?
Would SW game need Bespin gas miners to be complete? Or any reason you would like to have Mr. Gasminer,  Jedi and a stormtrooper at the same group at the same time?

How about game of Jedi, with no other player characters? Would that be a game? How about if it is 300 pages stuffed with crunchy jedi rules?

..I was planning to write about the horrible limitation of not having starship captains on my d&d but then thought that it would be too obvious troll... And then realizing that yes, there are.

Why not, when given the two choices, you present your customers with MORE choice and variety rather than less?

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RPGPundit

#43
October 01, 2006, 10:24:42 PM
Quote from: obrynHow the fuck does this have anything at all to do with the Forge?

Reminds me of the Fifties when Communism was to blame for all of America's problems.

Can't you rant about something you dislike without trying to idiotically tie it in with one of your irrational hate-centers?  "Teh Forge/Swine/Homosexuals are to blame for ALL of RPG woes!!"

When the forge argues that highly-limited microgames are the best possible design for RPGs, and a company decides to make a series of highly limited micro-games rather than a full-blown open-ended RPG with a variety of options, and claim that they're doing it for our benefit, it would stand to reason that somewhere along the line they've drunk the koolaid.

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Levi Kornelsen

#44
October 01, 2006, 10:59:37 PM
Quote from: RPGPunditWhen the forge argues that highly-limited microgames are the best possible design for RPGs, and a company decides to make a series of highly limited micro-games rather than a full-blown open-ended RPG with a variety of options, and claim that they're doing it for our benefit, it would stand to reason that somewhere along the line they've drunk the koolaid.

When I buy a game book, I prefer that it contain mostly material that I will use when running it.  

I also prefer the lower prep time of a smaller game, the reduced concerns about whether I'm forgetting or contradicting some other part of the material that I do intend to use (and thus, some part I can't just change with a handwave).

Those preferences of mine have nothing to do with the Forge or any theory; I had them before there was a Forge.

These games sound, thus far, as if they will be built to serve those preferences.

That's a good thing.
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