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The Grande Temple of Jing: "the dungeon crawl that rules them ALL"

Started by Black Vulmea, December 30, 2012, 11:55:51 PM

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jcfiala

#105
August 15, 2014, 01:21:51 PM
Quote from: Haffrung;779915Absolutely. Do we see this vitriol hurled at kickstarters by Frog God Games?

Any Kickstarter whose reach appears to exceed it's grasp is going to be mocked, no matter who makes it.  Frog God, at the least, delivers on their projects, so why should we mock them?  Frog God's products aren't generally to my taste (although I did go in on the pdf of Rattan Athuk), but by now I know that if I put down my money I will receive a book.
 

Exploderwizard

#106
August 15, 2014, 02:32:55 PM
Quote from: jcfiala;779925Any Kickstarter whose reach appears to exceed it's grasp is going to be mocked, no matter who makes it.  Frog God, at the least, delivers on their projects, so why should we mock them?  Frog God's products aren't generally to my taste (although I did go in on the pdf of Rattan Athuk), but by now I know that if I put down my money I will receive a book.

Pretty much. You may not like the product of a given kickstarter but the folks running it shouldn't be mocked if they actually deliver.
Quote from: JonWakeGamers, as a whole, are much like primitive cavemen when confronted with a new game. Rather than \'oh, neat, what\'s this do?\', the reaction is to decide if it\'s a sex hole, then hit it with a rock.

Quote from: Old Geezer;724252At some point it seems like D&D is going to disappear up its own ass.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;766997In the randomness of the dice lies the seed for the great oak of creativity and fun. The great virtue of the dice is that they come without boxed text.

Haffrung

#107
August 15, 2014, 04:17:40 PM
Quote from: jcfiala;779925Any Kickstarter whose reach appears to exceed it's grasp is going to be mocked, no matter who makes it.  Frog God, at the least, delivers on their projects, so why should we mock them?  Frog God's products aren't generally to my taste (although I did go in on the pdf of Rattan Athuk), but by now I know that if I put down my money I will receive a book.

The mocking of this kickstarter here started long before it became apparent they may not be able to deliver.

Kickstarters by Paizo/3E/modern designers = contemptible money-grab.
Kickstarters by old-school designers = exciting independent project.
 

Lord Hobie

#108
August 15, 2014, 04:32:14 PM
Quote from: JeremyR;613153I would like to see a KS with a bunch of infamous RPG celebrities. Raven McCracken (of Synnibarr fame), that Carcosa guy, the Vampire: Undeath guy, maybe James M (the Grognardia guy), Morrus from ENWorld...

Add in Slade Henson from the old TSR days and it's a deal.

Lord Hobie
 

Black Vulmea

#109
August 15, 2014, 04:40:44 PM
Quote from: Haffrung;779992Kickstarters by Paizo/3E/modern designers = contemptible money-grab.
Kickstarters by old-school designers = exciting independent project.
That's just nothing but bullshit.
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Larsdangly

#110
August 15, 2014, 04:58:44 PM
This thread started as a mean spirited poke in the eyeball for someone's project, for no obvious reason. I don't think you can distill that into any sort of axiomatic principle of kickstarter critiques. And the OP obviously has a right to offer impromptu reviews of whatever he or she wants. And, fortunately, on this web site there are no jack booted nazi's to police everyone's thoughts and attitudes. But, by the same turn, the OP is acting like a colossal prick and shouldn't be surprised to have people say so. How's that for a fair resolution?

Black Vulmea

#111
August 15, 2014, 05:37:13 PM
Quote from: Larsdangly;780004How's that for a fair resolution?
Speaking as the original poster, fuck you.
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Sommerjon

#112
August 15, 2014, 08:30:41 PM
Quote from: Black Vulmea;780015Speaking as the original poster, fuck you.

You forgot to roll on the reaction table...
Quote from: One Horse TownFrankly, who gives a fuck. :idunno:

Quote from: Exploderwizard;789217Being offered only a single loot poor option for adventure is a railroad

Larsdangly

#113
August 16, 2014, 01:24:58 AM
Quote from: Black Vulmea;780015Speaking as the original poster, fuck you.

Right back at you, with knobs on it. Ass hat.

crkrueger

#114
August 16, 2014, 02:31:58 AM
Anything by Frog God deserves to be mocked because for all their Heavy Metal/OSR/Appendix N vibe, they made themselves a boutique publisher at Acaeum prices.  More power to 'em for finding the OSR whales and squeezing them dry, but own that shit and quit the "games to the people" crap.
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JeremyR

#115
August 16, 2014, 02:57:45 AM
Quote from: CRKrueger;780139Anything by Frog God deserves to be mocked because for all their Heavy Metal/OSR/Appendix N vibe, they made themselves a boutique publisher at Acaeum prices.  More power to 'em for finding the OSR whales and squeezing them dry, but own that shit and quit the "games to the people" crap.

"First Edition Feel, Fifteen Edition Prices!"

But the first part of the motto is largely BS. They write most of their recent products for Pathfinder/3.x, then convert backwards.

Which results in some very bizarre things, especially for NPCs

Exploderwizard

#116
August 16, 2014, 06:58:36 AM
Quote from: Sommerjon;780071You forgot to roll on the reaction table...

:rotfl:
Quote from: JonWakeGamers, as a whole, are much like primitive cavemen when confronted with a new game. Rather than \'oh, neat, what\'s this do?\', the reaction is to decide if it\'s a sex hole, then hit it with a rock.

Quote from: Old Geezer;724252At some point it seems like D&D is going to disappear up its own ass.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;766997In the randomness of the dice lies the seed for the great oak of creativity and fun. The great virtue of the dice is that they come without boxed text.

Haffrung

#117
August 16, 2014, 10:16:30 AM
Quote from: CRKrueger;780139Anything by Frog God deserves to be mocked because for all their Heavy Metal/OSR/Appendix N vibe, they made themselves a boutique publisher at Acaeum prices.  

So people who are into old-school D&D, heavy metal, and Fritz Leiber can't afford high-end RPG books? News to me. I know a couple lawyers and a pharmaceutical researcher who are as old-school metal D&D as you get. They have plenty of money for their hobbies.

Not all long-time D&D players are wheezing obese men with tobacco-yellowed fingers living in shabby apartments.

Quote from: CRKrueger;780139More power to 'em for finding the OSR whales and squeezing them dry, but own that shit and quit the "games to the people" crap.

"Games to the people?" Where do they say that in their promotional copy?

If people who can afford the dizzying sum of $100 for their premium hobby materials are "whales" of the D&D community, this really is a hobby for fucked-up misfits.
 

The Butcher

#118
August 16, 2014, 10:34:18 AM Last Edit: August 16, 2014, 10:42:53 AM by The Butcher
Quote from: CRKrueger;780139Anything by Frog God deserves to be mocked because for all their Heavy Metal/OSR/Appendix N vibe, they made themselves a boutique publisher at Acaeum prices.  More power to 'em for finding the OSR whales and squeezing them dry, but own that shit and quit the "games to the people" crap.

Isn't this Goodman Games'/DCC's schtick too?

Quote from: Haffrung;780177So people who are into old-school D&D, heavy metal, and Fritz Leiber can't afford high-end RPG books? News to me. I know a couple lawyers and a pharmaceutical researcher who are as old-school metal D&D as you get. They have plenty of money for their hobbies.

"Being able to afford" is not the same as "willing to dish out" for expensive stuff.

I can afford $100 adventure modules in the same sense that I can afford a $1000 bottle of wine. And I won't for the same reason: I think no adventure module can possibly be worth $100, and no bottle of wine can possibly merit $1000 a bottle.

It's not so much about income as it is about priorities. I dare say even most "wheezing obese men with tobacco-yellowed fingers living in shabby apartments" can squeeze $100 if they really want that adventure module. Probably not on a monthly basis, though.

VectorSigma

#119
August 16, 2014, 10:43:49 AM
Quote from: The Butcher;780179Isn't this Goodman Games'/DCC's schtick too?

DCC adventures are ten dollars each.  Frog God does big ol' hardbacks.  I don't think it's the same thing.

To my eye, all Kickstarters of dubiousness get snarked.
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