Quote from: Charon's Little Helper on November 03, 2020, 03:00:00 PM

Quote from: Anon Adderlan on November 02, 2020, 09:24:53 AM

Boomer Joe Biden Calls Game Devs 'Little Creeps'

I just have to point out real quick that this one is total BS...

Biden is too old to be a baby boomer. He was born in 1942, while the baby boomers didn't start until 1946. Gosh!

Ok Boomer

Quote from: Shasarak on November 03, 2020, 03:25:14 PM

Quote from: Charon's Little Helper on November 03, 2020, 03:00:00 PM

Quote from: Anon Adderlan on November 02, 2020, 09:24:53 AM

Boomer Joe Biden Calls Game Devs 'Little Creeps'

I just have to point out real quick that this one is total BS...

Biden is too old to be a baby boomer. He was born in 1942, while the baby boomers didn't start until 1946. Gosh!

Ok Boomer

Lol - hardly. I'm solidly in the millennial category. (though frankly, the classification of generations is generally pretty silly anyway; at least the first few years of the baby boomers was notable as there was a literal boom of babies being born post WWII as soldiers came home and the economy finally recovered from The Great Depression, but by 1964 they were hardly the result of soldiers coming home anymore)

Quote from: Mistwell on November 03, 2020, 02:47:07 PM
I truly do not care who a game designer votes for, for U.S. President.

Particularly not on a message board run by a game designed who is from Canada and who moved to Uruguay and who does not even vote in US Presidential elections.

I don't care about who a game designer votes for, either, or who they support (even if they can't vote in any given country's elections) or what their politics are.

I do care, however, about what people (or corporations) DO. So if they support Cancel culture, take an active role in the wrong side of the Culture War, promote harm, etc. or any type of activity I might take strong objection to, I will not give them money, or clicks/traffic (I will post an archive link if I need to reference their site), or any type of support. If they're not terribly politically active, but had said shit or thrown stones in the past, I may limit my support. And if I still like their products despite their political actions and that product comes in a digital format, I'm gonna have to plea the 5th on how I might get a hold of that product if I'm so inclined (me laddies). Lets just say Disney hasn't seen a cent from me for the Mandalorian, which is a pretty good show (still haven't seen the 2nd season, though, so no spoilers ).

  Having a list of people supporting Biden is one thing.  Why, on earth does that whole thing start off with saying Hunter Biden's laptop was stolen though?  Strange you begin your rant with a flat out lie, it sort of leads me to think any, and everything else, you say is a lie.

Quote from: rytrasmi on November 03, 2020, 01:09:10 PM
I don't want to have to research game designer politics and personal life to vet a game.

Me either. I don't even want to know their politics.  But if they want to insist that I know them, then that's on them.  I'm willing to give anyone the benefit of the doubt until they work really hard to convince me to stop.

Quote from: oggsmash on November 03, 2020, 04:01:37 PM
  Having a list of people supporting Biden is one thing.  Why, on earth does that whole thing start off with saying Hunter Biden's laptop was stolen though?  Strange you begin your rant with a flat out lie, it sort of leads me to think any, and everything else, you say is a lie.

Laptop turned over to the police/FBI because of kiddie porn = "Stolen laptop"

I guess it's the same as "some women have penises" nonsense.

Quote from: Steven Mitchell on November 03, 2020, 05:03:38 PM
Me either. I don't even want to know their politics.  But if they want to insist that I know them, then that's on them.  I'm willing to give anyone the benefit of the doubt until they work really hard to convince me to stop.

Exactly.  I'm grown-up enough to understand there are people who don't agree with me.  But if they insist on me considering their politics at the same time I think about their products, I guess I will.  Will it make a difference on picking up a $1 pdf from Phil Reed?  Probably not.  The next time Steve Jackson asks me to drop a good amount of money on a Kickstarter, it just might.

After having gone over the list more thoroughly(it's very long, so I skimmed earlier; sue me), . . . well, can't say I'm surprised to see someone I consider a long-time personal friend on it(we go back to like 2000ish). It's a bit surreal, but whatever. No, I'm not gonna put him on blast. But if you know my regular haunts, I doubt it's that hard to figure out if you really want to know.

Still chuckling at them putting GMS there, though. That's not gonna get old anytime soon.

Quote from: Mistwell on November 03, 2020, 02:47:07 PM
I truly do not care who a game designer votes for, for U.S. President.

Particularly not on a message board run by a game designed who is from Canada and who moved to Uruguay and who does not even vote in US Presidential elections.

The problem is THEY care who YOU vote for. They made it very clear, that if you support Trump you're a "white supremacist" and probably shouldn't even be allowed to live, much less to play RPGs.

So why would you dishonor what they already stated they care about by giving them your dirty nazi-money they essentially made clear they don't want?

Quote from: RPGPundit on November 04, 2020, 02:13:06 AM

Quote from: Mistwell on November 03, 2020, 02:47:07 PM
I truly do not care who a game designer votes for, for U.S. President.

Particularly not on a message board run by a game designed who is from Canada and who moved to Uruguay and who does not even vote in US Presidential elections.

The problem is THEY care who YOU vote for. They made it very clear, that if you support Trump you're a "white supremacist" and probably shouldn't even be allowed to live, much less to play RPGs.

So why would you dishonor what they already stated they care about by giving them your dirty nazi-money they essentially made clear they don't want?

Because THEY don't have any actual control over what games I play, much less over whether I live. If THEY make something I think looks like it might be fun, I'll give it a try. If somebody else makes a case that I should buy their game on shared political views, I'll likewise laugh at them too and judge their product solely on its own merits.

Quote from: HappyDaze on November 04, 2020, 02:29:56 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit on November 04, 2020, 02:13:06 AM

Quote from: Mistwell on November 03, 2020, 02:47:07 PM
I truly do not care who a game designer votes for, for U.S. President.

Particularly not on a message board run by a game designed who is from Canada and who moved to Uruguay and who does not even vote in US Presidential elections.

The problem is THEY care who YOU vote for. They made it very clear, that if you support Trump you're a "white supremacist" and probably shouldn't even be allowed to live, much less to play RPGs.

So why would you dishonor what they already stated they care about by giving them your dirty nazi-money they essentially made clear they don't want?

Because THEY don't have any actual control over what games I play, much less over whether I live. If THEY make something I think looks like it might be fun, I'll give it a try. If somebody else makes a case that I should buy their game on shared political views, I'll likewise laugh at them too and judge their product solely on its own merits.

Exactly. Don't give them the power to control what you play or do. They don't want your money and would rather you don't play their precious game because of politics.

If a few "conservatives" buy a "liberal" game, the money makes no difference. If a lot of conservatives buy a liberal game, then it's not a liberal game anymore. A low-effort political statement by the designer is vastly outweighed by the statement made by the designer in accepting money from his "enemies."

^I agree!

Giving people who hate and would try to destroy you your money is the best way to pwn them. This is totally the way they'll take it, and it will totally not enable or empower them.

This is not sarcasm*, btw.


*yes it is.

Quote from: RPGPundit on November 04, 2020, 02:13:06 AMThe problem is THEY care who YOU vote for. They made it very clear, that if you support Trump you're a "white supremacist" and probably shouldn't even be allowed to live, much less to play RPGs.

So why would you dishonor what they already stated they care about by giving them your dirty nazi-money they essentially made clear they don't want?

There's a literal world war going on and most people are too stupid to see it. The Marxists are working overtime to take control of everything, and an easy way to do it is through dumb crap like cartoons and roleplaying games. I know YOU realize this, but there are far too many "hey, no big deal, live and let live, hah hah play what you want!" retards who cannot fathom the idea that eventually the communists WILL come for our books. They must destroy everything that does not fit align with their ideology.

I used to think 1984 was hyperbole, now I understand it was prophetic.

Quote from: VisionStorm on November 04, 2020, 09:25:18 AM
^I agree!

Giving people who hate and would try to destroy you your money is the best way to pwn them. This is totally the way they'll take it, and it will totally not enable or empower them.

This is not sarcasm*, btw.


*yes it is.

   If you want to subvert or exploit the products of those who would use your money for wicked ends, the best option is to get the books secondhand. You get the books, they get no money.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on November 04, 2020, 09:39:50 AM
If you want to subvert or exploit the products of those who would use your money for wicked ends, the best option is to get the books secondhand. You get the books, they get no money.

Nah. Subversion is for Marxists who can't get their way without first undermining what is good.

Instead I'm going to redouble my efforts to finish my "Superversive"* RPG and setting. Embrace and extol the good. There's enough in the OSR for those who prefer that style (which I do not), but there's a lot less in the field of more modern systems (which I do prefer but for their often annoying degree of politics).

Give people a choice for a game in the style they enjoy but without the preaching and I have to believe there's an audience for that.

* The term was coined by a group of sci-fi authors determined to fight the Leftist push into that market, not by writing opposing political tracts, but by putting a priority on extolling the virtues of the genre (the wonder, the beauty of discovery, etc.). In the case of an RPG system/setting I view this to be the idea that you are playing a hero and champion of the civilized world standing in opposition to the forces of darkness which surround it.