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The Firefly License

Started by Ghost Whistler, February 24, 2013, 05:08:25 PM

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Ian Noble

#45
February 25, 2013, 05:22:11 PM
Quote from: Grymbok;631587Actually both shows had viewing figures of about 4-5 million on their first series. And Leverage at least had the virtue of being in a genre/style which is generally under-represented in RPGs. And not being the second attempt at a license on the same property. And still being on air at the time of the license.

Yea, I read wikipedia as well.

No one I knew ever heard of the show before they heard about a game based on the show.

But then again USA aims its shows at retirees and I don't game with people that old so maybe that's why none of us ever heard about it.
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Sigmund

#46
February 25, 2013, 05:53:05 PM Last Edit: February 25, 2013, 05:56:45 PM by Sigmund
Quote from: brettmb;631511I don't get it. They had Serenity. How is Firefly any different. Sounds like a bunch of nothing.

I was wondering the same thing. Serenity is just the movie of Firefly (and the name of the ship in Firefly). How are they different enough to need a license for each?

Edit: Ok, read on and had my question answered. Move along.....
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#47
February 25, 2013, 06:03:12 PM
Quote from: GeekEclectic;631550Yep, the expanded setting information would be enough of a justification even if Cortex+ wasn't one of the best things to happen to gaming ever(which it is). A Cortex+ Firefly game is like a dream come true!

Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but honestly I don't mind Cortex. At least not in the version in Supernatural, which is the Cortex game I have. I wouldn't call some innovative marvel of RPG design, but I don't see anything wrong with it either. I don't see how it's any more "second rate" or "lame" than any other system, including Savage Worlds. then again, I might be one of the few who doesn't get all gooey over Savage Worlds either. It's no BRP, that's for sure. Yeah, I liked playing Deadlands alright, but meh... could take or leave SW.
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#48
February 25, 2013, 06:07:01 PM
Quote from: Ladybird;631596(Leverage) C+ is wierd. You have to play it kinda sat on your character's shoulder; you're doing all the regular roleplaying stuff, but you've also got to sit just outside "immersion" and look for opportunities to create assets and ways to play off opportunities you're given.

(To clarify: you can spend "plot points" to create temporary assets to aid you character - for example, if sneaking across a lobby, you could spend a plot point to take advantage of the planters around the walls. If you're worried that your players will create stupid assets out of thin air, that's a player-side issue, not a game-side issue. Essentially the system lets you invest in your own die roll bonuses, but every die you roll is another chance of rolling a "1" and earning a complication - a negative asset the GM can use against you - and you only get to count the best two die as your roll anyway.)

I kinda like it, and it gives a genre-savvy play group the opportunity to bring in all sorts of emulative elements, but it's an odd system that won't be to everyone taste, especially not here. It isn't a storygame, but it's not a "regular roleplaying game".

Supernatural must use regular Cortex, as that doesn't sound the same as what's in my book.
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TristramEvans

#49
February 25, 2013, 07:25:38 PM
Quote from: Ian Noble;631551A Firefly RPG game license makes sense. The show's fans are a rabid bunch who endlessly worship their 14 episode series and the movie that resulted. So that's a built-in audience who will buy the game and all its supplements.


Considering that built-in audience wasn't enough to keep the film from bombing in theatres and only a fraction of those people will have any interest in an RPG, consider me skeptical.

Ladybird

#50
February 25, 2013, 07:51:24 PM
Quote from: Sigmund;631751Supernatural must use regular Cortex, as that doesn't sound the same as what's in my book.

Yeah, Battlestar, Serenity and Supernatural are Cortex; Smallville, Leverage and Marvel (And Dragon Brigade, eventually?) are Cortex Plus.
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GeekEclectic

#51
February 25, 2013, 07:51:42 PM
Quote from: Sigmund;631748Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but honestly I don't mind Cortex. At least not in the version in Supernatural, which is the Cortex game I have.
If I'm being sarcastic, trust me,you'll know.

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I have almost all Cortex and Cortex + products. Many in hardcopy, but some in PDF. And I'm getting even more PDFs and the hardcopy Hackers Guide thanks to the recent kickstarter.
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#52
February 25, 2013, 07:57:13 PM
Quote from: TristramEvans;631784Considering that built-in audience wasn't enough to keep the film from bombing in theatres and only a fraction of those people will have any interest in an RPG, consider me skeptical.
Well, to be fair, the number of people it needs to keep an RPG afloat is far far less than it takes to keep an action movie from bombing.  

From my observation, it seems like the Firefly property is very popular among the gaming crowds at conventions - but I don't know if it's popular enough to justify the cost of the license.

Piestrio

#53
February 25, 2013, 08:46:55 PM
Quote from: TristramEvans;631784Considering that built-in audience wasn't enough to keep the film from bombing in theatres and only a fraction of those people will have any interest in an RPG, consider me skeptical.

It would have helped if the movie wasn't terrible.
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#54
February 25, 2013, 09:15:18 PM
Quote from: Piestrio;631810It would have helped if the movie wasn't terrible.

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Piestrio

#55
February 25, 2013, 09:22:02 PM
Quote from: GMSkarka;631815Your disdain for that thing which some geeks enjoy makes you unique and special.

I'm aware, thanks.
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danbuter

#56
February 25, 2013, 10:48:53 PM
Quote from: Piestrio;631818I'm aware, thanks.

Serenity was about equal to a bad episode of Firefly. It got nowhere near as good as the good episodes of Firefly. It was decent but disappointing, for me. Too much focus on River killed it.
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#57
February 26, 2013, 12:47:06 AM Last Edit: February 26, 2013, 12:50:48 AM by YourSwordisMine
Quote from: Ladybird;631793Yeah, Battlestar, Serenity and Supernatural are Cortex; Smallville, Leverage and Marvel (And Dragon Brigade, eventually?) are Cortex Plus.

Shit is shit, whether it as a +sign or not...


And I dont mean setting content... They have some good licenses, ones I would love to buy... But the system is such utter shit that I refuse to buy them as just setting books...

Cortex/Cortex+ is one of the few systems that make me angry trying to play it... Hell, even reading it pissed me off... But I gave it a try on multiple occasions... Results were the same...
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#58
February 26, 2013, 01:38:21 AM
Really?
For me, it was killing 2 of my favorite characters.
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#59
February 26, 2013, 02:19:20 AM
Quote from: YourSwordisMine;631844Shit is shit, whether it as a +sign or not...


And I dont mean setting content... They have some good licenses, ones I would love to buy... But the system is such utter shit that I refuse to buy them as just setting books...

Cortex/Cortex+ is one of the few systems that make me angry trying to play it... Hell, even reading it pissed me off... But I gave it a try on multiple occasions... Results were the same...

Like I said, it's not for everyone. I've only played Leverage, not any of the others.

Since we appear to be discussing it here, I've never seen Firefly, and I'm not terribly interested in doing so (No real objection to it, it's just not something I want to spend my time on).

I've seen the first few episodes of Leverage, and will try and watch more. I liked it, but five series, of anything, is a significant amount of time to book to just be watching TV. It's a very information-dense show, I don't think I could watch it if I wasn't properly paying attention.
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