Quote from: kregmosieragreed...i liked it better in 1977 when it was called "City State of the Invincible Overlord".  :rolleyes:

I have a idea!  Why don't we trot this statement out about any book that concentrates on a single city!  Won't that be insightful?

"I'm cool because I only like old stuff!"

-O

Ptolus is pure gold.

I use it when I´m on a limb in my wilderlands campaign: I just rip out some prepared stuff, like a ratling infestation, or some merchant house, and drop it right in the  Wilderlands city  my players are in right now.

It works great as a mine, but also offers so much more. It´s an amazing bargain.

Quote from: obrynI have a idea!  Why don't we trot this statement out about any book that concentrates on a single city!  Won't that be insightful?

"I'm cool because I only like old stuff!"

-O

I think he was being all ironic and stuff 'cos of the rolleyes? Might be wrong though.

I do agree to a certain extent with JArcane in that it seems as though more products are being released that look amazing and have a high price tag. Coffee table books. That doesn't mean that they can't be used and enjoyed though...if you have the dosh to put down on them. Some people like the ready to use stuff, some don't.

The £40 i spent on the updated Wilderlands boxed set is still the best i have spent though...Sorry.

Quote from: obrynI have a idea!  Why don't we trot this statement out about any book that concentrates on a single city!  Won't that be insightful?

"I'm cool because I only like old stuff!"

-O

dude, sorry for expressing my opinion.  hate that it apparently touched a nerve.

Quote from: kregmosierdude, sorry for expressing my opinion.  hate that it apparently touched a nerve.

Wow, I hate that my snarky response to your snarky comment apparently touched a nerve.

-O

Ptolus is very usable, imaginative, and modular. You can run an entire, 10+ year D&D campaign in it, or mine it for inspiration. Stuff like the cosmology, the story behind the spire, things like that make for great gaming. It's perhaps the most comprehensive and yet most usable setting ever devised for an RPG.

Go over to Monte's boards and read the Ptolus forum. There are tons of people getting tons of use out of the book. It's easily the best RPG city ever done.

Quote from: obrynWow, I hate that my snarky response to your snarky comment apparently touched a nerve.

-O

Obryn,

Please oh please don't berate me further.  Why don't you wait for my brother?  
He'd be much more of a meal than me!  :what:

Quote from: kregmosierObryn,

Please oh please don't berate me further.  Why don't you wait for my brother?  
He'd be much more of a meal than me!  :what:

You know, if you don't want people responding to your opinions, you should either (1) not post them publicly, or (2) include in your signature that you'd rather drop one-liners than defend your views.

-O

Why don't you guys take it to email or PM or a separate thread if you are enjoying insulting each other in public? We understand you disagree, and we understand you don't like each other. The point has been established. Now can we move on?

-clash

I'm not sure if you guys are going to keep fighting, or are going to start making out.

Either way, I'm watching this thread.

Quote from: flyingmiceWhy don't you guys take it to email or PM or a separate thread if you are enjoying insulting each other in public? We understand you disagree, and we understand you don't like each other. The point has been established. Now can we move on?

-clash

How could I insult someone in public via PM?

Seriously, I'm not taking (or intending) this personally, and don't see why I'd dislike him, but I am kinda derailing the thread.  Sorry 'bout that.

-O

Quote from: obrynHow could I insult someone in public via PM?

Seriously, I'm not taking (or intending) this personally, and don't see why I'd dislike him, but I am kinda derailing the thread.  Sorry 'bout that.

-O

Thanks, obryn!

-clash

completely agreed...was just going to ask the same in PM, but saw Clash's post.  


As for "defending my views":

In my opinion, Ptolus is the Ultimate Extreme Perfect Platinum Collectors Numbered Limited Edition-kind of vanity product that does nothing for the hobby, but encourages more of its kind.  

I mean, I collect a few things here and there but goddamn...not real sure even *I* can justify $120.  (and yes, i realize it's available in .pdf and 5-pack player guides, etc.)  There are numerous Fine Art books that cost the same that I won't buy either.


BEAR IN MIND, this is my personal opinion...not going to argue it anymore.

Back to the topic at hand.

Quote from: One Horse TownI do agree to a certain extent with JArcane in that it seems as though more products are being released that look amazing and have a high price tag. Coffee table books. That doesn't mean that they can't be used and enjoyed though...if you have the dosh to put down on them. Some people like the ready to use stuff, some don't.

I agree completely.  I think it's both a good trend and a bad trend...  I mean, I'm at the point in my life where I can spend $30-$40 on an impulse and not feel bad about it.  I'm not at the point in my life where I can do the same at the $120 price point.

From looking through it pretty thoroughly, I don't think Ptolus falls into the 'useless extravagance' category.  I'd actually say the price point is relatively fair for the quantity & quality of the material - I mean, it's basically the size of 3-4 books, sans cover, with art/binding/layout equal to or exceeding WotC itself.

I was, myself, really skeptical about it.  Then, I seriously looked through it and found that it wasn't just building-by-building capsule descriptions ala CSIO.  I think that a lot of the stones thrown at it are from folks who haven't given it a serious look.

QuoteThe £40 i spent on the updated Wilderlands boxed set is still the best i have spent though...Sorry.

I got that one, too.  I'm getting a lot of mileage from it.  Sadly, it has some really annoying aspects to it, but I'll start another thread for that...

-O

Quote from: mearlsI'm not sure if you guys are going to keep fighting, or are going to start making out.

Either way, I'm watching this thread.

wait...MAKING OUT WAS AN OPTION?!?! :eek:

*snap*  i never win.