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The Dungeons & Dragons Experience on YouTube

Started by Yamo, December 10, 2006, 08:36:25 PM

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Yamo

Don't know if you have all seen it yet, but just in case:

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=SpiroLee&page=3

Kinda fun, in a way. Big thumbs-down for the old dude with the oily complexion and demon gang rape fetish, though.
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Both disturbing and fun. There is much... truthiness... ;)

Blackleaf

Thanks again for posting this!  I just finished watching it and thought it was a lot better than I was expecting.  

I was really surprised that the GM turned out to be the guy who runs Dwarven Forge.  If you haven't watched this yet, you ought to just for that.

I thought the older GM's comments about getting into his players' heads was a bit unsettling -- particularly the annecdote about the female player with the Paladin...

Definitely worth watching if you haven't seen it already.

Edit:

Quote from: YamoBig thumbs-down for the old dude with the oily complexion and demon gang rape fetish, though.

Yeah, I absolutely agree.  At least Tracy Hickman's comments balanced that out a bit.

beejazz

Some good. Some lame. Some scary.

I think that about sums up RPGs.

O'Borg

Thanks for this!
I've been in a bit of a gaming funk since my PbP game died at birth, but I'm getting the urge to try again now :)

Quote from: StuartI thought the older GM's comments about getting into his players' heads was a bit unsettling -- particularly the annecdote about the female player with the Paladin...

Yeah, this sort of comment in a documentary is just fuel to the fire for the Jack Chick's and BADD's of the world. Plus it makes him sound like the sort of ass of a GM who gets off on screwing over his players.
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Quote from: YamoBig thumbs-down for the old dude with the oily complexion and demon gang rape fetish, though.
Oh, you mean the guy who needs to have his ass punched?  Yeah, totally.
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Sosthenes

On the other hand, I'm not particularly fond of Hickman's view of Christian morals in RPG's, either. But yeah, that earring dude was a bit weird.

My favorite scene:
"I'm your g*mumble*."
"You're a god?"
"No, I'm your _guide_"
"Oh!"
(That scene _so_ defines why I role-play ;) )
 

Blackleaf

Quote from: SosthenesOn the other hand, I'm not particularly fond of Hickman's view of Christian morals in RPG's, either.

Did he say Christian morals? (honestly can't remember)  I thought he was just talking about general morality, and a bit about Joseph Campbell.

Compared to some of the other interviews, I thought Hickman seemed like a pretty decent guy.

Sosthenes

 

Blackleaf

From that page:

QuoteYou wrote Dungeons & Dragons(r) games for many years. How could you support that 'wicked and demon-worshipping' game?

The game itself is not an evil thing -- it's what people do with it that is often wrong.
Dungeons & Dragons(r) was started by a man by the name of Gary Gygax back in the mid-seventies as an offshoot of miniatures wargaming. It quickly took on a wide college fandom and became something of an icon during the 'eighties. It was during that same time that a great resurgence in christian churchs took place in a return to spirituality. Zealots supporting the game and the churches came into conflict with a great deal of miscommunication on both sides.
The main problem, from my perspective, was not that D&D(r) was an 'evil' game but that it failed to take much of a moral position AT ALL except to insist on a vague adherance to the comic book code. It was a game where 'anything you wanted' could happen. Role playing games can be powerful tools for behavior modification. To my mind, it was rather like giving power tools to two year olds: huge potential without any guidance.
I cannot speak for others who design these games but I can say with assurance that the games I designed while there always took a very carefully calculated moral slant and tried to teach positive values as central to their design. I would strongly admonish others who design their games to look beyond the illusory dream itself to the message that their games convey. I also strongly admonish anyone who is playing these games to carefully select only those settings and scenarios that espouse positive moral structures. I also recomend my 'Ethics in Fantasy: Morality and D&D' article for a more indepth treatment of this subject.
The bottom line? The games I designed were always carefully crafted morality tales that reflected my own Christian beliefs -- as for anyone elses, you should participate in them with open eyes.

Actually... I don't see anything to disagree with. I'm going to check out his article. :)

Sosthenes

Quote from: StuartActually... I don't see anything to disagree with. I'm going to check out his article. :)
Read the Ethics articles. Lot's of Christian-centric babbling about morals, scripture and the imperative of the DM as a teacher. Would make for a nice flame war thread...
 

RPGPundit

Interestingly, Hickman is very active in his Mormon faith; Gary Gygax is also a very devout Christian, an Adventist-offshoot if I remember correctly.  No doubt there are other designers who are equally devout.

The point is that neither Gygax nor Hickman have allowed this to pervade their actual games.

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Quote from: RPGPunditThe point is that neither Gygax nor Hickman have allowed this to pervade their actual games.

I'm not saying that it really bothers me that much, but I definitely see some of that "moral" influence in Dragonlance. Part of the reason why I'm not that fond of the setting, as I prefer sword & sorcery to good vs. evil epics...
 

Blackleaf

I started a new thread on this so we don't derail this one.